FYI, From DAL 3Q report

"Excludes our orders for five A319-100 and two A320-200 aircraft because we have the right to cancel these orders."

PBS Question - Finishing up training in March for MD-88 initial, on my PBS calendar it says "Shadow" on each day for the rest of the month after that, does that require me to bid or just wait till done with training??? Anybody?:confused:

I'm not understanding the math here. Since 40 is four times as much as 10, you're saying one 777 produces the same number of pilots as four DC-9's. I just looked at the category lists for February and found the following:

744's = 16. 199A's, and 251B's for a total of 450 pilots.
DC-9's = 34. 195A's and 188B's for a total of 383 pilots.

So we have twice as many DC-9's as we do 744's, yet we only have a little over twice the number of pilots on the 744. Using your math, we should have 720 pilots on the 744. Instead we only have 450.

What am I missing here alfa?

Carl

:D

although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, I really do serve a purpose...

beyond just posting pictures of 80, who right now is OWNED by 737 crew scheduling. More 80? Sure, here is 80ktsclamp (far right) the high school which reminds me- who are we to judge his hand placement on mom's hips?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJ..._Photos_26.jpg

Carl, you're missing the fact that alfa was talking about 777s, not 747s. We have 18 777s and on the Feb category list 627 pilots, for an average of 34.8 pilots/acft. Using your numbers, the DC9 has 11.3 pilots/acft.

So, alfa rounded it to 4x when apparently its actually about 3.1 -- still pretty significant difference.

Alright, yall all peaked my interest so I grabbed the fleet numbers for January 1st 2011 minus the DC-9-40s and took the August 2011 projected staffing reports. Then after a brain freeze I decided to slap the ATL 767 and 767ER together as one because really there is no other way.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1296960765

Now, if said numbers should not be posted on an anonymous web forum that by all means they may be erased as I proclaim to everyone here that I have sinned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3...waggart238.jpg

It does look like 32 to 33 pilots per premium wb and around 10 for nb.

What would be interesting is seeing block hours to pilots because as we know off the last AE the MD's were all in the MD88 category which is fat but the 320 and 737s have more pilots per plane but those guys are getting hammered.

I've been suspicious for some time now about ALPA national's agenda. Those suspicions were erased today by the latest Air Line Pilot magazine. The following is part of an interview of Capt Moak on page 12:

ALPA staff: What do you think are or should be ALPA's highest priorities in collective bargaining? Contract enforcement? Safety? Security?

Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities. At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession. Contracts that focus solely on self-interests will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us."

This should put to rest the myth that local leaders do the negotiating and decide their own contracts. I'm posting this on the DPA thread as well for those here that don't know about it.

Carl

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Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities.
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What, "local leaders" chart the course of negotiations and through "their members" set priorities. That's just terrible Carl.

This sounds interesting, anyone know what's expected to change?

Also.... When is the projected category list going to come out?? I'm waiting and waiting for that thing to be sure, then send in my "I'm BACK!" letter to Delta with my category choice.