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Dayton: Airport needs to have more options | StarTribune.com

Dayton: Airport needs to have more options

At MAC presentation, the governor said passengers would benefit from new competition. Delta welcomed change but said it offers plenty.

Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
"The airport belongs to the people," Dayton told more than 400 business people and government officials at a presentation in Bloomington by the Metropolitan Airports Commission.
Referring to Delta Air Lines' overwhelming presence at the airport, Dayton said there is a "need to bring in other options and alternatives" and establish "more of a competitive balance" in flights and pricing.
"It's important to me that the commission view its customers as first and foremost the people," he said.
Dayton, a DFLer, made his remarks as he prepares to put his stamp on the commission with appointments replacing some who served under his GOP predecessor, Tim Pawlenty.
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition. But he noted that Delta, headquartered in Atlanta, took over Twin Cities-based Northwest Airlines. He said he looks forward to talking with Delta CEO Richard Anderson and obtaining assurances that it will maintain or increase employment at Minneapolis-St. Paul.
"It certainly is a concern that we no longer have the company headquartered here, that we're one of a larger number of hubs," Dayton said. "So we need the offsetting advantage of having greater competition."

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 943068)

So, so silly. That would require a PRO-active and forward thinking bureaucratic organization. That in itself is an oxy-moron.

On top of that, it would require the "better"(i.e. mainline pilots) to be willing to slum it and accept the obviously "lesser" (i.e. regional pilots) to share cockpits and crew lounges....The privileged don't associate with the commoners....You didn't know that?:rolleyes:

BTW, I agree 100% with your type of strategic goal setting, theory of unity, and direction. Not enough think like that however.....

Bar is Spot on. Unity solves all problems.

Super Bowl predictions....?

I'm thinking Green Bay by more than 17.

Just because I heard, but did not verify, the last 4 times the spread was this close it was a blowout and between GRB and PIT I've got to believe it'd be GRB to do that over the we'll just win it by 1 PIT. But frankly, I could care less. I don't have an NFL team anymore, I'm homeless.

Maybe I'll cheer for Denver because of Tebow. Tsquare?

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Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 943027)

PG:

could you please list each "competitor" that ALPA is considering to define industry average?

Will foreign carriers be added to industry average? Will Cargo carriers be included?

No. No.

What you are asking is who are our peers? The answer is obvious, though people don't like to accept it. Our peers are similarly designed network carriers. Those include:

AMR, UCAL, and LCC. The rest are either niche players (ALA), have a completely different business model (LUV), or a completely different product (FDX, UPS). We can use those as a reference, but they are in a DIFFERENT industry.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 943091)

GB 31, PIT 21
In other words GB by 10
I really don't care either though, but I'll share my guess just so I get bragging rights if I come closest :p

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 943034)

Carl, Ending alter ego is consistent with benefiting the "greater good." But, let us not get political speech writing confused with reality. For an example you need not look any further than the fact our largest and most capable permitted jets are being operated at ALPA busting Tran States' Compass division. Those were pilots represented by our MEC at the date of corporate closure. Those were our jobs. Those should be our jets and our pilots. Compass pilots should have a Delta seniority number. That is the reality. Now the politics ... .

There are plenty of ways ALPA could use its' President's Office for the mutual gain and benefit of ALL ALPA MEMBERS:

1. Require outsourced flying be performed by ALPA members:

A. Makes our union more relevant

Airlines like SkyWest & Republic have grown and received flying by virtue of simply being non ALPA. ALPA will never win an organizing drive on these properties as long as the pilots there perceive a real benefit to being non-ALPA in the form of rapid growth and seniority.
In contrast, ALPA airlines with leading contracts have been destroyed, ie Comair.
If threatened with the loss of flying (non renewal of contracts with non ALPA airlines) airlines like SkyWest would fall in line instantly. They would see the value in ALPA membership (if you have 'em by the short hairs, their hearts and minds will follow) More effective than Pizza Parties at growing our union.

B. Makes our union more relevant (part II)

By controlling and coordinating bargaining at the National level, efforts could be made to end whipsaw of regional against regional and currently regional against mainline.
Management has ONE Bargaining Agent for labor - ALPA has a monopoly on pilot labor

C. Set minimums on labor (both in areas of qualifications and pay) for outsourced flying.

2. Teach ALPA membership the benefits of real unity & return to our core strengths:

Make ending outsourcing a long term strategic goal of our union.
Return the Constitution and Bylaws to their pre 1990's versions of "alter ego" and "operational integration."
Pursue mergers within airline brands as a way of ending alter ego replacement of labor while improving ALPA members careers. (non ALPA members are not our concern)
Use ALPA National's resources to investigate and develop new ways to bridge labor across operating certificates and corporate ownership. For instance, as long as the jet flies with Delta code, it is flown by Delta pilot in good standing with ALPA.

If we build a strong enough foundation in unity, there is no limit to what we could build on top of it.

Well said! Your specific, well organized strategy vs what I see Pineapple and some others here spewing (pulling rabbits out of hats with ambiguous defenses and vague interpretations) are night and day.

I consider most of what Pineapple says worthless as it seems to always have more to do with spinning what ALPA "really meant to say" vs. solid facts that could further the interests of those flying for mainline as you have stated here.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 943102)

Yup...that's what I thought!

What if none of them can do as well as SWA? What if our "peers" are all still negotiating?

If our peers have been unable to secure PWAs, I would hope ALPA would do more than just use those niche carriers as a reference.

Well, I think it's clear Ms. Aguilera didn't lip sync to a recording. LMAO!!! :D

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 943171)

Well, I think it's clear Ms. Aguilera didn't lip sync to a recording. LMAO!!! :D

Yeah that sucked bigtime.

Bonus goof-up points for the flyover at the end of the song - too bad nobody saw it, what with the roof closed at Cowboys Stadium and all! (From Yahoo !)