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I'm gonna show my age. Slash rocks...black eyed peas don't...Fergie is hot

the best half time show ever......If you were wondering what I was watching.

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What a great freakin game!

The chick who sang the national anthem...SUCKED!!

That is all.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 942902)

Only the biggest cynic would believe what many here seem to believe: that somehow it is in ALPA National's interest for flying to be transferred from higher wage paying (and dues paying) pilot groups to lower wage (and dues) paying pilot groups.

It's not a question of what you believe or don't believe. The question is: What has actually been done. What has actually been done is flying transferred from higher wage paying pilot groups to lower paying pilot groups. And both of those groups are represented by the same union. ALPA.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 942902)

I simply try to counter that illogical argument every time it comes up.

You certainly have the right to counter it, but you do so while ignoring ALPA's recent history. You also ignore Moak, O'Malley, etc refusing to even mention the reversing of outsourcing the majors' flying to the regionals.

Carl

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 943191)

I'm gonna show my age. Slash rocks...black eyed peas don't...Fergie is hot

At least you knew all of their names! :D Beats the Captains I was hanging with for the game :p

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 943034)

Carl, Ending alter ego is consistent with benefiting the "greater good." But, let us not get political speech writing confused with reality.

True enough. But as I've said, the most important part of this interview with Moak was his comments about ALPA national's highest priority with regard to collective bargaining. I won't re-post it because I'm sure you read it. Many of the ALPA stalwarts here have consistently said that we are to blame regarding Scope. The locals negotiate everything and national is only there to help facilitate with their expert staff the achieving of whatever the local's goals are. Moak's comments are a clear rebuke of that myth.

This is extremely important because it shows that we may have to fight national as hard as management. Depending upon what national thinks is for the greater good of our industry. This is the main reason I support going to an independent union. I want our union to be comprised of only Delta pilots...so we can spend our energies fighting one opponent - not two.

Carl

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 943083)

Bar is Spot on. Unity solves all problems.

Define "unity" in acl's world. And please be specific.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 943102)

No. No.

What you are asking is who are our peers? The answer is obvious, though people don't like to accept it. Our peers are similarly designed network carriers. Those include:

AMR, UCAL, and LCC. The rest are either niche players (ALA), have a completely different business model (LUV), or a completely different product (FDX, UPS). We can use those as a reference, but they are in a DIFFERENT industry.

I know that's management's view, but it's wrong. Delta moves pax and cargo. And we compete head to head with LUV. How you can say they are in a different industry is so blatantly foolish it's hard to believe.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 943196)

What a great freakin game!

The chick who sang the national anthem...SUCKED!!

That is all.

Carl

Yeah she was horrible... did anybody else notice that she left out a whole line? Oh and the blackeyed peas (as expected) were wretched... The game was great, and the commercials were pretty good too :) Oh... and the beer was really really cold here on the beach...