You were not even there, and your conclusion is that the captain was a toolbag.

We'll always have problems here if we continue to believe second hand accounts that "prove" our preconceived stereotypes of each other.

Carl

We have female pilots in their 20's? I'll be damned. For some reason I was picturing a 62 year old flying a heavy that can barely move. Sorry. FWIW, I always help the flight attendants with their bags if they ask, or if I see them struggling. We're all on the same team. It also doesn't hurt that my mom's a flight attendant.

These message boards do not do a very good job at portraying people. In reality, I'm one of the most hated pilots to fly with, but on this board I come off as everyone's favorite poster. Wait, maybe I have that backwards.

ALPA Toilet Paper
 

I got rid of my ALPA magazine subscription a while ago. Someone just showed me the cover. Has anyone got an airsickness bag handy?

Yeah I guess that your FO couldn''t get the aircraft on the ground without the great and powerful Carl... besides, you totally miss the point. And we all know someone that has lost his/her job because of injury. No one is saying that you HAVE to lift bags into the overhead. If they expect that.. they are in the wrong.. absolutely. But you started the guilt trip line, and I was asking if you would feel guilty that some FA saves your bacon so you could go talk on the radio... but you answered that with the word job...


.. and it was hypothetical, because you used the first person pronoun, I. Besides what relevance would her feelings about that have anyway? If you hurt your back helping her out, should she come to your house and clean your toilets for free? What are you looking for here?

And it is in no way bad to understand this. You're not really part of a "family" if you can be furloughed if there's too many of you at the table. Or fired if you make the rest of the family mad. Or have your future membership in the family terminated in bankruptcy.

I remember when Dave Garrett was CEO at Delta. That was the culture then. He was a giant in the industry, and a real innovator with regard to employee relations. That died with the next CEO.

It's understandable to long for those days, but it's not rational to pretend they still exist.

Carl

I don't get it.

Its a trade publication, everybody I know that gets one in their own business thinks they are pretty lame also, but there is usually a piece of info or two worth knowing about.

You are right, I wasn't there. But I believe her story. Not just because he was a 747 captain.. but because of the other parts that were apparently playing out. But I will amend my post to read as follows: the captain was allegedly a toolbag.

Happy?

If you mean the way we employees treat each other, I agree with you.

But if you mean that we need to cave-in to management's "me too" issue in order to ensure that other employee groups don't hate us, that's where we differ. You're not really saying that are you?

Carl

Of course not. But as I said to Sink (I think) If you help them understand, they might be more understanding.....

The obits.... other than that... not really.