Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-24-2011 | 07:04 AM
Pog Ma Hoin
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Maybe not.... If you have not been notified of recovery flying "an actual trip" not just 23G5 you are not obligated. Don't answer your phone after the 12 hour mark and you have the week off! If they have attempted to notify you that a trip has been added to your line before the 12 hour mark and you have not acknowledged it they can drop the trip off your line but you will be subject to recovery flying for I believe 3 maybe 6 hours after your original report. No attempt to notify you of a trip 12 hours prior to report equals no obligation.
02-24-2011 | 07:54 AM
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On a completely different topic, I thought this was an effective advertisement:
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02-24-2011 | 08:43 AM
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Sailing;
I was actually one of the early defenders of JGs language as setting the ground rules. But after reading it over and combining the original language with the CVG base visit and end-of-week memo language, I do not agree with you characterization of how a "screw up" will be handled.
JG specifically says (paraphrased) #1 is a freebie, #2 is a talk with your CP, #3 you are labled as "bad". The language about planning on chronically underperforming flights was especially ridiculous.
I was actually one of the early defenders of JGs language as setting the ground rules. But after reading it over and combining the original language with the CVG base visit and end-of-week memo language, I do not agree with you characterization of how a "screw up" will be handled.
JG specifically says (paraphrased) #1 is a freebie, #2 is a talk with your CP, #3 you are labled as "bad". The language about planning on chronically underperforming flights was especially ridiculous.
Here's the simple reason why -- they didn't have to change the policy at all.
I think they are planning on using the "reasonable man" standard.
If you are operating in good faith you will be fine. The 3 strikes thing will not be a factor.
But Flt Ops doesn't want to sit down and codify every exact little variation of what is "reasonable" and what will count as "abusive", etc. etc.
"Abusing the policy" is going to be like the Supreme Court definition of pornography - can't define it exactly, but you know it when you see it.
The Chief Pilots are used to dealing with the "problem child" pilots.
This is no different. If you are a straight shooter just trying to get to work then you don't have anything to worry about. If you go in there and pi$$ on their shoes and try to tell them its raining, then things are going to escalate.
02-24-2011 | 09:11 AM
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I think Flt Ops deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Here's the simple reason why -- they didn't have to change the policy at all.
I think they are planning on using the "reasonable man" standard.
If you are operating in good faith you will be fine. The 3 strikes thing will not be a factor.
But Flt Ops doesn't want to sit down and codify every exact little variation of what is "reasonable" and what will count as "abusive", etc. etc.
"Abusing the policy" is going to be like the Supreme Court definition of pornography - can't define it exactly, but you know it when you see it.
The Chief Pilots are used to dealing with the "problem child" pilots.
This is no different. If you are a straight shooter just trying to get to work then you don't have anything to worry about. If you go in there and pi$$ on their shoes and try to tell them its raining, then things are going to escalate.
Here's the simple reason why -- they didn't have to change the policy at all.
I think they are planning on using the "reasonable man" standard.
If you are operating in good faith you will be fine. The 3 strikes thing will not be a factor.
But Flt Ops doesn't want to sit down and codify every exact little variation of what is "reasonable" and what will count as "abusive", etc. etc.
"Abusing the policy" is going to be like the Supreme Court definition of pornography - can't define it exactly, but you know it when you see it.
The Chief Pilots are used to dealing with the "problem child" pilots.
This is no different. If you are a straight shooter just trying to get to work then you don't have anything to worry about. If you go in there and pi$$ on their shoes and try to tell them its raining, then things are going to escalate.
02-24-2011 | 09:27 AM
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02-24-2011 | 11:41 AM
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02-24-2011 | 11:54 AM
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02-24-2011 | 12:05 PM
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$200 bucks for a bikini ?!
OK, but that thing better make my wife look like a Sports Illustrated cover girl.
OK, but that thing better make my wife look like a Sports Illustrated cover girl.
02-24-2011 | 12:08 PM
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02-24-2011 | 01:35 PM
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You've got our attention.
Now you're gonna have to post a picture of your wife!
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