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Old 02-23-2011 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Exactly. The ones who wrote the preamble are also the ones who are responsibile for setting the tone on enforcing/interpreting it. That was again backed up in the base meeting razor posted. The second time you use it (ever?) you will have to explain yourself, with the third going down the potential dicipline road? Wow, what about the 4th? Again we're talking about in a career. And pilots are responsibile for checking on "chronic cancellations" AYFS?
Some context:

The conversation in question actually occured between JG and one of the CVG LEC reps. CVG apparently does have a connection flight to DTW whose AC is apparently frequently used as a spare for other routes, and hence, cancels frequently. A dicussion ensued about how exactly a pilot would get access to that information. I was less than thrilled about the answer - basically if you've tried to use it multiple times and its frequently canceled, you shouldn't rely on it. Personally, I agree that we shouldn't be responsible for the inability of one of our regional partners to operate our published schedule - but I'm just relaying what was said.

Relying on OAL's as primary was also brought up as an example of a troublesome practice, due to lack of information on availability and jumpseat occupancy. (Again, just repeating what I heard, so don't shoot the messegner!) I'll agree that the new policy is good policy on paper, but its not worth much if a responsible commuter is afraid to use it. A little trust and mutual respect would have gone a long way in that memo.

On the bright side, they will do a multi-leg positive space if necessary.

RE: Oil
If you acutally listen to the anylsts and traders that know what the heck they're talking about, ACL is likely correct. To add to what he's already said; Currently, the U.S. still has a pretty significant surplus in oil supply. The NYMEX delviery point in Cushing Oklahoma, is currently filled to capacity - as is the Strategic petroleum reserve. Lybia produces roughly 2% of the worlds supply, very little of that makes it to our shores, and OPEC has quite a bit of spare capacity the can put into play. I think FTB hit the nail on the head that when gas gets to around $3.50, consumers will pull back again (it acutally happened at $3.30 in 2008,) and all of the sudden a temporary 2% drop in supply is starring at a 5% drop in demand.

On the other hand, if oil does go to $220, we could likely just buy those NYC slots and gates from LCC on the auction block....

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Old 02-23-2011 | 06:52 PM
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I had recurrent this month in MSP and I need to get in touch with the DGS evaluator who gave me my checkride. His initials are BW and he was a 744 FO before he blew out his aorta and went out on LTD. Any suggestions for finding an email or phone number for a DGS guy or a PM of his info? I tried iCrew but didn't see him there.
Old 02-23-2011 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
On the bright side, they will do a multi-leg positive space if necessary.
Yeah, once in an entire career. Second time is a carpet dance and third time is/can be dicipline. In a career. That makes it pretty much useless (other than your once in a lifetime freebie). A policy like that, if it is enforced in such a horrible labor relations kind of way, will result in worse labor relations not better as well as causing increased sick calls and/or pilots commuting so conservatively as to be less rested than they otherwise would have been had they not been in perpetual fear of a hostile management who views commuting as some off the wall extreme and essentric luxury bordering on wanton recklessness. Commuting is part of the industry and your workers are the foundation of your operation and customer service.

Again, the policy is good but the preface is trash. That negative context has not only been officially backed up at least once already, the absolutely insane stipulation of "pilots are responsibile for avoiding chronic cancel prone flights that our company can't figure out how to operate reliably" was incompetent frosting on a hostile cupcake.

One "freebie" in a career, if that is really how this will be interpreted/enforced, makes this otherwise good policy pretty much worthless. After your one freebie you are exposing yourself even listing more than 20 minutes before a flight because if you obey the rules after your one career freebie you can be nailed for it. And for what, one penalty free positive space flight in an entire career? It would be better to get rid of that in exchange for removing the strongly implied threat of jeopardy and an admission that commuting is here, its real and its a fact of life in this industry. How can anyone not get that?
Old 02-23-2011 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor
I had recurrent this month in MSP and I need to get in touch with the DGS evaluator who gave me my checkride. His initials are BW and he was a 744 FO before he blew out his aorta and went out on LTD. Any suggestions for finding an email or phone number for a DGS guy or a PM of his info? I tried iCrew but didn't see him there.
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Old 02-23-2011 | 07:38 PM
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Old 02-23-2011 | 07:56 PM
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Old 02-23-2011 | 08:24 PM
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I never bet on anything with a brain... uh.. check that.. I guess i COULD bet on UT football with that qualifier. Hey, we played a pretty good game against Vandy last night though... actually looked like the team we could be. We'll lose in the first round
Seems like that game was going much better for us until I turned it on in the last 5 minutes. Beginning to think I AM the Vandy curse.....
Old 02-23-2011 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Another question if I may. It's not because I am too lazy to look up the answers. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out the contract but it's kind of fuzzy when you are new and I want to make sure I don't screw up. I start reserve on Friday and am coming off a few days off. It says I have to check DBMS or VRU no later than 0200 on my 1st day of reserve when coming off of days off. Does this mean I have to stay up until midnight in order to check DBMS/VRU? I assume icrew is the same as DMBS/VRU? Sorry guys, I"m trying to figure this out on my own but I'm kind of confused on what I need to do on my 1st reserve day. Thanks to whoever chimes in with answer
Delta1067, I know upndsky and unclesam answered your question but as to where to look for stuff this is from When Scheduling Calls page 28-29.

Required Schedule Checks
A reserve pilot must check his schedule and acknowledge a rotation,
short-call period, or rest period under two circumstances:

1. Last Non-fly Day: On his last non-fly day prior to an on-call day,
a reserve pilot must check his schedule between 1500 and 0200
base time. He may be required to report for a rotation or start short
call as early as 0500 base time or start rest as early as 0001 base
time, provided Crew Scheduling has placed the duty or rest on his
schedule prior to 1500,. If is no duty on his schedule prior to 1500,
then he simply becomes a long-call pilot at 0001.

For a non-fly day that does not end at midnight, e.g., Pay Back (PB)
day or Partial Reserve (PR) day, the deadline for placement on the
schedule is 9 hours prior to end of the day, and the deadline for the
schedule check is 2 hours following the end of the day. The earliest
that a pilot may be required to report for a rotation or start short call
is 5 hours following the end of the day. He may be assigned to begin
rest immediately following the end of the non-fl y day.
FWIW, I check my schedule all morning the day prior to my first reserve day. Mainly because I might have put in a YS for a certain trip or requested SC. If nothing was given to me then I check sometime, and shortly after, 3pm. If nothing is there then I'm on long call starting at 12:01 that night and therefore can't show until at 12:00pm on day 1. However, if I was a jerk, and they gave me a 4-day with a 0614 sign in and I decide to not check my schedule at all then at 2am they'd call me. Which considering my drive would mean I need to get up, shower and go to work. If I commuted... oh yuck. Conspiracy theorist will take a screen shot at 3:00.00 to make sure they have proof they can't be assigned a trip prior to 12:00pm on day 1.

Now 80ktsclamp is on the 737. 80 always has something on his schedule. The 737 calls him at 2am anyways, breathes heavy, and starts asking questions. 80 will hang up, the 737 will call back, and it goes back and forth numerous times. Have you seen Scream? Kind of like that. Eventually 80 is running outside in his underwear trying to get away from the 737 because the 737 owns him.



For the neighbors, it sucks. It's 80 in his underwear running through their water sprinklers. Had it been Scary Movie and Carmen Electra, it'd be so much better. But it sucks for them.

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Old 02-23-2011 | 09:03 PM
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"Conspiracy theorist will take a screen shot at 3:00.00 to make sure they have proof they can't be assigned a trip prior to 12:00pm on day 1."

Or Commuters.
Old 02-24-2011 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Razor
I had recurrent this month in MSP and I need to get in touch with the DGS evaluator who gave me my checkride. His initials are BW and he was a 744 FO before he blew out his aorta and went out on LTD. Any suggestions for finding an email or phone number for a DGS guy or a PM of his info? I tried iCrew but didn't see him there.
Dude blew out his aorta?!? And he is alive?!? Wow, modern medical miracles never cease.
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