Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-24-2011 | 02:50 AM
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Yeah, once in an entire career. Second time is a carpet dance and third time is/can be dicipline. In a career. That makes it pretty much useless (other than your once in a lifetime freebie). A policy like that, if it is enforced in such a horrible labor relations kind of way, will result in worse labor relations not better as well as causing increased sick calls and/or pilots commuting so conservatively as to be less rested than they otherwise would have been had they not been in perpetual fear of a hostile management who views commuting as some off the wall extreme and essentric luxury bordering on wanton recklessness. Commuting is part of the industry and your workers are the foundation of your operation and customer service.
Again, the policy is good but the preface is trash. That negative context has not only been officially backed up at least once already, the absolutely insane stipulation of "pilots are responsibile for avoiding chronic cancel prone flights that our company can't figure out how to operate reliably" was incompetent frosting on a hostile cupcake.
One "freebie" in a career, if that is really how this will be interpreted/enforced, makes this otherwise good policy pretty much worthless. After your one freebie you are exposing yourself even listing more than 20 minutes before a flight because if you obey the rules after your one career freebie you can be nailed for it. And for what, one penalty free positive space flight in an entire career? It would be better to get rid of that in exchange for removing the strongly implied threat of jeopardy and an admission that commuting is here, its real and its a fact of life in this industry. How can anyone not get that?
Again, the policy is good but the preface is trash. That negative context has not only been officially backed up at least once already, the absolutely insane stipulation of "pilots are responsibile for avoiding chronic cancel prone flights that our company can't figure out how to operate reliably" was incompetent frosting on a hostile cupcake.
One "freebie" in a career, if that is really how this will be interpreted/enforced, makes this otherwise good policy pretty much worthless. After your one freebie you are exposing yourself even listing more than 20 minutes before a flight because if you obey the rules after your one career freebie you can be nailed for it. And for what, one penalty free positive space flight in an entire career? It would be better to get rid of that in exchange for removing the strongly implied threat of jeopardy and an admission that commuting is here, its real and its a fact of life in this industry. How can anyone not get that?
It is not how it will be enforced. They have been giving out PS for a long time and no one I know has ever even been asked about it. The only time they even looked into commuters in NY was a specific day when they had to cancel 5 international flights due to no shows. They checked everyone who no showed or was late that day to see if the complied with the current commuter policy. Not surprising most who were problems had not followed the policy yet there was no follow up. As long as you have complied with the policy and made a honest attempt to get to work you wont hear a thing. Now if they are forecasting a major snow storm and you are trying to get to NYC from Miami the same day you might here something. You might also hear something if you are coming from LA to NYC and using all nighters to try and do a same day commute.
02-24-2011 | 03:46 AM
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Sailing;
I was actually one of the early defenders of JGs language as setting the ground rules. But after reading it over and combining the original language with the CVG base visit and end-of-week memo language, I do not agree with you characterization of how a "screw up" will be handled.
JG specifically says (paraphrased) #1 is a freebie, #2 is a talk with your CP, #3 you are labled as "bad". The language about planning on chronically underperforming flights was especially ridiculous.
That said, I am happy about doing away with the 2 hours between flights and some of the other arbitrary restrictions. I am a commuter and will not be changing anything I do. I've been given positive space to commute in the past...I dont control the weather and will not live on travelnet just to see if a commuter flight filled up after making my reservation.
I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this, generally the new policy is an improvement and Ill take it as that, but the repeated and re-iterated plantation foreman tone from JG to us field hands IS a little over the top.
On a completely different topic, I thought this was an effective advertisement:
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I was actually one of the early defenders of JGs language as setting the ground rules. But after reading it over and combining the original language with the CVG base visit and end-of-week memo language, I do not agree with you characterization of how a "screw up" will be handled.
JG specifically says (paraphrased) #1 is a freebie, #2 is a talk with your CP, #3 you are labled as "bad". The language about planning on chronically underperforming flights was especially ridiculous.
That said, I am happy about doing away with the 2 hours between flights and some of the other arbitrary restrictions. I am a commuter and will not be changing anything I do. I've been given positive space to commute in the past...I dont control the weather and will not live on travelnet just to see if a commuter flight filled up after making my reservation.
I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this, generally the new policy is an improvement and Ill take it as that, but the repeated and re-iterated plantation foreman tone from JG to us field hands IS a little over the top.
On a completely different topic, I thought this was an effective advertisement:
http://www.naughtysuits.com/index.ph...products_id=21
Last edited by scambo1; 02-24-2011 at 04:26 AM.
02-24-2011 | 04:37 AM
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BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!
02-24-2011 | 05:53 AM
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02-24-2011 | 06:01 AM
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02-24-2011 | 06:03 AM
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02-24-2011 | 06:03 AM
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yeah it was a crazy story, apparently he was doing a walk around with the loadmaster when it happened. Someone knew what was going on and being at an airport allowed him to be flown via life flight to a nearby hospital. Everything went right for him which saved his life. At least that's the story i was told.
BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!
BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!
02-24-2011 | 06:12 AM
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yeah it was a crazy story, apparently he was doing a walk around with the loadmaster when it happened. Someone knew what was going on and being at an airport allowed him to be flown via life flight to a nearby hospital. Everything went right for him which saved his life. At least that's the story i was told.
BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!
BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!
There's more to it, but definately a WOW story. Great guy, too.
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02-24-2011 | 06:13 AM
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Heyas,
Well, I got the trip drop notice for the OE trip, but they put the 23G5 (or whatever) on my line, which means I'm still on the hook for recovery.
Guess that means I still need to commute up for the regular report time, correct?
Nu
Well, I got the trip drop notice for the OE trip, but they put the 23G5 (or whatever) on my line, which means I'm still on the hook for recovery.
Guess that means I still need to commute up for the regular report time, correct?
Nu
02-24-2011 | 06:52 AM
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a. If the First Officer is removed from his entire rotation, he will be guaranteed pay and
credit for the scheduled credit of such rotation, and will be subject to recovery flying.
The Company will attempt to notify the pilot of his removal and any assigned
recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to the report time of his originally scheduled
rotation. If a notification attempt is not made at least 12 hours prior to the scheduled
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot will have no recovery obligation.
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