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Boomer 03-19-2011 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 967230)
Did he get promoted to 5 stripe Captain already? :cool:

He's an 8-stripe... 4 on each side.

He doesn't even need a flashlight to preflight static wicks in broad daylight.

Boomer 03-19-2011 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 967234)
please forgive our low ballin', as we forgive those who low ball against us

Hey! As a Comair guy, I resent that! :D

forgot to bid 03-19-2011 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 967226)
More likely these are replacement jets for Frontier / Midwest and part of his strategy to have his own brand as a hedge against fee for departure contracts which reply on the health and inclination of the major partner.

Continental Express, Coex, or XJT or Expressjet, whatever the kids call it these days, showed the wave of the future when it entered in with that deal with Delta didn't it?


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 967233)
Absolutely. But which is Plan A and which is Plan B? :confused:

Are Frontier's Airbusesses old enough to require replacement in 4 years, even if the C-series sips fuel?

Well, Frontier scrapped a 6 year old Airbus A318 back in 2009. I thought I once saw the picture but I can't find it, here is a thread google returned for me. So all that to say, who the heck knows. You could probably scrap their A318s and make more money selling the parts then trying to sell the planes while the 319s and 320s can come on over to us. We love used planes.

Sad Day---New Airbus 318 Being Scrapped! — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 967236)
He's an 8-stripe... 4 on each side.

He doesn't even need a flashlight to preflight static wicks in broad daylight.

Boomer fits right in.

8 stripe. Oh 'shmack'. I think I know 8 stripers. :D

Did I spell that right? Did I just say I know 8 exotic dancers or just people who think they're 2x a Captain? Let me go google.

acl65pilot 03-19-2011 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 967176)
If they didn't have a bunch of new ER B types sitting at home getting paid, they might have enough folks to do the trips. Oh well,, back the hoops.

Frankly, pilots are always sitting at home on full pay waiting for TOE. Sometimes it is a few weeks and other times it is a few months. We will constantly have a large training footprint with an airline this large. We as a company just need to learn to accept it. What we have not is small potatoes compared to what we will see when the retirements kick in.

Cycle Pilot 03-20-2011 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 967176)
If they didn't have a bunch of new ER B types sitting at home getting paid, they might have enough folks to do the trips. Oh well,, back the hoops.

Shhhh.... Stay quiet!!! We don't want them to know we're still here and waiting!!! :)

dragon 03-20-2011 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot (Post 967278)
Shhhh.... Stay quiet!!! We don't want them to know we're still here and waiting!!! :)

Speak for yourself! I'm working on the never ending honey do list from hell! How can I possibly finish that which gets added to daily?

Seriously, don't really mind staying at home, but sooner or later I'm going to have to go back to training before I forget any more.

Bucking Bar 03-20-2011 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 967233)
Absolutely. But which is Plan A and which is Plan B? :confused:

Are Frontier's Airbusesses old enough to require replacement in 4 years, even if the C-series sips fuel?

Really wasn't that long ago they were flying these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ng_737-300.jpg

But Bedford's enough of a risk junkie to order them to flip the delivery positions if they type turns out to be a hit. ... and with US Air's representation in complete disarray maybe he's figuring he can bust that scope blockade.

I've met Bedford twice. Back then it was my impression that he's a good finance guy. Not sure he has the same level of operational acumen, but no one can argue with his successes.

One of those successes has been obliterating scope clauses.

Delta MUST figure out how to make a profit performing its work domestically, or else you and I will be working for Bedford in the future and quite possibly, without our longevity.

Bucking Bar 03-20-2011 05:00 AM

.... which brings me to a rant!

Over the last fifteen years ALPA has been told, repeatedly, that their efforts to divide our union along "regional" and "mainline" terms to monetize and bargain in outsourcing was a recipe for disaster.

Personally, I've written my Reps and ALPA's Presidents dozens of letters on why, even if they insist on trading in the poison of outsourcing, that they should write scope language inclusively, so as to be the automatic beneficiaries of any new flying scheme management creates. Instead they have written language by exception and exclusion, using outdated terms and past models which are easy for management to circumvent.

Now we see unbranded regional carriers getting relative seniority SLI results
. Air Canada Jazz is operating 757's across oceans. The cat is pretty clearly out of the bag.

Aside from the outsourcing issues, look at where ALPA's nonsensical scope constructs have brought us on seniority and longevity issues? You think I'm joking about Delta pilots working for Bedford? Just look at past trends and draw a line.

Obviously, I don't think that will happen or else I'd be working for him already. But, unless ALPA pulls its collective head out of the sand and address unity, that will be the result. Moak's safe, most of the list figures they'll ride it out until retirement and they'll be safe. If you are under 57 years of age you need:[LIST][*] ALPA to adopt a scope policy that favors ALPA members[*] Delta to develop a model which makes domestic flying profitable (yeah, even if it means small airplanes that pay less than big ones)

forgot to bid 03-20-2011 06:10 AM

I enjoy bar rants. :D

and i am always fascinated with bombing runs in the middle east from Missouri.

sinca3 03-20-2011 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 967225)
Maybe Bedford is betting the farm that Scope Clauses will not be a factor when he gets his first C-series in 2015?

I remember sitting in recurrent training with ASA in '03-04 while B. LaBrecque and his merry crew of regional mid management goons gloated how scope wouldn't be an issue they (regionals..ASA in particular) would need to worry about in the near future. I remember a few questions pertaining to this and he was adamant, as was the RAA in his mind, scope as he saw it would allow for larger then 76 seats at the regional level....
This is just an FYI from what I saw at the regional level 7-8 yrs ago, I'm sure the sentiment from those same people hasn't changed.


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