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Check Essential 04-07-2011 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 977013)
Why not? I'm talking about the swap board, swap with pot.

Out of base swaps have enormous potential for abuse and seniority violation.
In my opinion, that needs a full debate and membership ratification.
Sounds harmless, but it definitely has drawbacks.

You think "trip parking" is bad now? Just wait til you can do it across bases.

Sink r8 04-07-2011 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 977013)
Why not? I'm talking about the swap board, swap with pot.

Because it doesn't benefit the people in the base, except for the people that have unusually difficult commutes. Because it allows for time to move out of a base based on personal connections, not seniority. Because it allows people to bid into a base that have no interest in any of the issues that are important to most others in the base, since they'll potentially nevr fly there. Because it turns the entire airline into a big category, which doesn't serve the pilots in general, etc.

This isn't strictly a commuter issue, either. Obviously the people that have a crashpad, or have a well established commute (think New England pilots coming to New York) don't benefit. The people based in the corners of the country don't benefit.

Pretty much, the only people that benefit are people in the center of the country, with a lousy commute to their existing base, maybe a commute that frequently turns into a two-leg event, have an interest. And again, since one can swap with friends, if they don't have good connections, they might be out of the loop.

This is the ultimate poaching device, and the only people that benefit are poachers, and more specifically poachers that work in groups.

The solution to the problem is to have good rotations, a good contract, and a good swap-with-the-pot system, where everyone gets access to time in seniority order.

Sink r8 04-07-2011 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977020)
Out of base swaps have enormous potential for abuse and seniority violation.
In my opinion, that needs a full debate and membership ratification.
Sounds harmless, but it definitely has drawbacks.

You think "trip parking" is bad now? Just wait til you can do it across bases.

Exactly...

satchip 04-07-2011 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977020)
Out of base swaps have enormous potential for abuse and seniority violation.
In my opinion, that needs a full debate and membership ratification.
Sounds harmless, but it definitely has drawbacks.

You think "trip parking" is bad now? Just wait til you can do it across bases.

Hmm, didn't think of that. I was just looking at the dearth of trips in the NYC and was looking at ATL. Many more guys looking to drop and swap there.

acl65pilot 04-07-2011 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 977005)
Are out of base swaps going to be allowed? I sure as hell hope not.

I do not know, but I do not beleive they should be.

I can see allowing a guy to pick up off the swap board, as a p/u only, but I do not think that a pilot should be able to swap his sked out for one in a different base. This idea works well for guys too junior to hold a line in ATL so he bids NYC, and then swaps his crappy uncommutable stuff in NYC for stuff in ATL.

We see plenty of Out of Base WS's but swapping would be totally different.

maddogmax 04-07-2011 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 976957)
Anyone know if the latest Quarterly CD for CQ is available for download on Deltanet?

Never mind, someone found the link for me.

OK. Where is it?

forgot to bid 04-07-2011 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 976999)
Yea, she was on the HS show the other day and talked about them dating and banging. After all, it was Howard Stern...

Shivers.


So what's this about RAH and what does it mean for us?

NuGuy 04-07-2011 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 977004)
What now Nu? Do tell.


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977017)
Is this about our new procedure for handling grievances?

If you guys are Council 1 or 20, then call your reps.

Otherwise, never mind.

Nu

NuGuy 04-07-2011 01:25 PM

Republic was determined to be single carrier.

Be prepared to enter the spin zone...

Nu

orvil 04-07-2011 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 977082)
Republic was determined to be single carrier.

Be prepared to enter the spin zone...

Nu

Wait, wait, wait.... Listen.... Nevermind. I thought I heard Slowplay opening the Latest and Greatest thread with a platter of spin.

This poo fight should be interesting.


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