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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 977168)

Two wrongs don't make a right. I think DPA's the wrong choice, but so is sitting on Scope violations.

Sitting on scope violations is more than just wrong. Not intending to be too dramatic, but it's like an unconscionable sin.

I am still looking for verification. But, our union should always be fighting for every possible job for us.

If they aren't, something must change.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 977177)

This I agree with 100%. It is logical for our Association to aggressively defend our profession and our contract.

This ruling may change a few things, and as a result due diligence is needed.

Not just logical: imperative. I do agree with you that we need to udnerstand the facts, but on the surface, this is clearly a violation. My gutt feeling is that it's been a clear violation all along.

How many layers do we have too peel, and how many tears shed, before we all agree that an onion is an onion?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 977176)

Just waiting for slowplay to show up.

The spin stops here, though. ;)

http://www.dickipedia.org/images/Bill-oreilly.jpg

So if APA goes after RAH and gets their 15 aircraft fleet removed from flying for American then I'm sure we're going to have their soon to be 49 aircraft fleet of E145s and Ejets removed and sent packing to Frontier, right?

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 977172)

I'll walk over to DALPA tomorrow and ask them after my sim. What should I ask?

If you pop open your laptop or pull out your smart phone and blog live I'm sure there will be some to send you over some questions concerning scope and other pertinent new topics of conversation.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 977192)

Must be true: it was posted twice.;)

If this truly a violation, I agree with you. Where I stop agreeing with you is the point at which it becomes obvious your destination is DPA.

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 977197)

Must be true: it was posted twice.;)

If this truly a violation, I agree with you. Where I stop agreeing with you is the point at which it becomes obvious your destination is DPA.

I'm not there yet, either. They have yet to prove to me how DPA is not DALPA Part II, waiting to happen again and again and again (as in like every time we vote for our reps).

Anyone have a link to the Republic ruling?
I'm not seeing it on the NMB website. ??

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 977165)

When Moak was MEC, and this topic came up on the DALPA forum, it was always squashed by the Comm chair. The short answer is that ALPA legal said it wasnt a violation of section 1. If you can read english, it was clearly in violation. The single carrier ruling re-opens the issue because if they are a single carrier, ALPA cannot look the other way (or say these arent the droids you are looking for).

Its one of those situations that actually makes me angry because I know I am being misled by an organization I pay to represent me. What do they think we are? Stupid? I think ALPA counts on pilot non-engagement for their existence. They also love to say to the "forum radicals" why dont you volunteer if you want change. Well many have, but they arent wanted.

Correct, a majority of the pilots only care when the next AE is coming out. Until the majority can be convinced that there are true threats to their career, they can't be bothered.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 977165)

Yes they can, and I predict they will. ALPA national controls the funds needed and the expert lawyers needed to file and pursue this grievance. The evidence is clear that ALPA national does not want the majors to take back any flying...even flying from a non-ALPA carrier. It's because they don't want to alienate the non-ALPA carrier from being an ALPA carrier some day.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 977165)

Its one of those situations that actually makes me angry because I know I am being misled by an organization I pay to represent me. What do they think we are? Stupid? I think ALPA counts on pilot non-engagement for their existence. They also love to say to the "forum radicals" why dont you volunteer if you want change. Well many have, but they arent wanted.

All true. The only thing we can do is understand the dynamics of what is happening. I believe most of our LEC reps are trying to do the right thing. But they feel enormous pressure to tow the line of national, or risk hurting Delta pilots. Our reps simply need to feel more pressure from us, than from national. Our reps also need to understand that WE WILL VOTE NO on any TA that does not reverse outsourcing. No matter how hard the ALPA national dog and pony show tries to sell us on a YES vote, we must vote NO.

As I've been saying for months now, it's a damn shame that we have to fight our own union as hard as we fight management, but that's where we are. I'd like it to be different, but that's our reality.

Carl