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DAL 88 Driver 03-30-2011 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 973145)
Does Snider have a recommended minimum account balance to begin? Can this be done with $100k?

The minimum is $25K. Although I'm a little hesitant to recommend it at that level. You would only have one position at $25K up to (I think, off the top of my head) about $80K. If you happened to get unlucky and get a position that went into a long winter, it would be pretty frustrating. The method puts you into an ETF in a one position account so as to eliminate the possibility of bankruptcy. Honestly, I don't know of anything else I would recommend in place of the method. I'd probably still do it at that level. But I'm a little squeamish recommending it to someone else with a small account. With $100k, you'd probably have two positions, maybe three. That gets more into my comfort zone.

Stagger Lee 03-30-2011 05:06 PM

wow, still totally confused. i have a serious financial background and can not for the life of me see what you are saying. this smacks of the usual too good to be true investment. if you have a GOOD stock it will be quickly called away and you lose all that appreciation. by definition the only stocks you can hold on to are BAD stocks that don't appreciate. I am guessing that with your top secret formula you somehow come out ahead after expenses holding these bad stocks? seems incredible that wall street hasn't jumped on this bandwagon. why isn't warren buffet in on this? do you truly believe snider has invented a new wheel? or has she reinvented another too good to be true wheel? bottom line- if you used true, accepted accounting methods that included your losses, even if currently unrealized, and expenses as well as gains, what is your true return? the problem that leaps out is that believers are so quick to protest that you can't compare the snider returns against any other normal methodology. it seems like too great a proportion of these seminars you pay for are devoted to this area. and again it seems you are taking on faith that your holdings will at some point exceed your purchase price, quite a leap if history is any guide. otherwise you will have losses when you finally liquidate these positions. at that point what is your true return? there is quite a bit of legalese surrounding this in the snider literature i am led to believe, is that not true? is that intended to protect her or you i wonder?

DAL 88 Driver 03-30-2011 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Stagger Lee (Post 973153)
and again it seems you are taking on faith that your holdings will at some point exceed your purchase price, quite a leap if history is any guide. otherwise you will have losses when you finally liquidate these positions. at that point what is your true return?

In the six years I've been doing this, I have closed out many, many positions. Never had a single one close at a loss... even the way you measure it. :eek:

hockeypilot44 03-30-2011 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 973158)
In the six years I've been doing this, I have closed out many, many positions. Never had a single one close at a loss... even the way you measure it. :eek:

That seems like good investing. Buy a stock and sell it at a higher price. Picking a good stock is key. Does this method tell you what to look for in a good stock?

acl65pilot 03-30-2011 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 973102)
You're on reserve right? Stop trying to break guarantee. Unless your category is short-staffed or an irregular op happens allowing you to green slip for a day's worth of pay, no credit, you are getting paid 70 hours/month and not a minute more. Just accept it and stop trying to manipulate the system. The system sucks and is designed to keep us from breaking guarantee. If that's not enough money for you, then think about that when you vote for the next contract that ALPA jams down our throats. I made less than 80,000 last year on third year pay on the Airbus (I don't count per diem as money). It's not that they can't use you. They won't because there are reserve pilots out there with less time than you. In ATL on the MD-88, there are on average 2-3 trips a day awarded to reserves with about 10/day awarded to white slipping line holders. There's usually 40-50 pilots on reserve per day FWIW. As a reserve pilot, you are a second class citizen. Don't even get me started on my ALPA buddy banking 90 hours/month by white slipping trips, then dropping them for ALPA business. Rant over.

Fyp, most guys who do ALPA work that are not reps do not get trip drops, do our ALPA work on our off time and still fly to ALV+15 on reserve. I have broken guarantee almost every month for the last year sitting on reserve, and not gotten on trip drop. Those that do are doing Committee work or National work in an area that has the funds.

It is a misnomer to think that most guys are dropping trips to do ALPA work.

hoserpilot 03-30-2011 05:34 PM

dal88,

I started with just 50 grand to test the waters and learn about options. Works quite well with FO pay!!

Stagger Lee,

I hope all my stocks get called away every single month. That way I make money on the call and a bit more on the sale of the stock. I'm not looking for giant gains where you buy low and sell high. I'm looking for consistency.

DAL 88 Driver 03-30-2011 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 973159)
That seems like good investing. Buy a stock and sell it at a higher price. Picking a good stock is key. Does this method tell you what to look for in a good stock?

Sigh...

That's not the objective of this method. Yes, it is designed so that you never sell stock for a loss. But it is NOT designed to make much on the sale of the stock when you do sell it. You do generally make some capital appreciation. But the vast majority of the return comes from the cash flow that is generated while you own the stock. Have I mentioned that is the objective? ;)

Yes, the method screens for stocks that are good candidates for generating cash flow and are not likely to go bankrupt. There is no attempt being made to predict whether a stock is going to go up or down over any particular time frame.

Maybe we need to get our own thread to discuss this over in the "Money" section?

DAL 88 Driver 03-30-2011 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 973172)
dal88,

I started with just 50 grand to test the waters and learn about options. Works quite well with FO pay!!

Stagger Lee,

I hope all my stocks get called away every single month. That way I make money on the call and a bit more on the sale of the stock. I'm not looking for giant gains where you buy low and sell high. I'm looking for consistency.

Glad to know it's working well for you, hoser. You mean you don't lay awake at night worrying about what would happen if you left your account up on your computer, and the cat walked across the keyboard and accidentally sold your stock at the wrong time? :eek:

Doug Masters 03-30-2011 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 973119)
Uh, yeah, no...this is good. Yep. I'm enjoying reading all this. Not boring at all. More please.

Better than underboob for sure. Investing talk rocks the house.

Dude, that low carb thing is messing with your brain... :)

Boomer 03-30-2011 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 973133)


DeadHead for the Win!

(Winning!!!?)


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