Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2011 | 04:28 PM
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If DAL axes any of the Republic flying (Chautauqua and Shuttle America), Delta is on the hook for the aircraft...if the cessation of services is terminated before the contract's expiration. It's spelled out very clearly in the Annual Report. I think all of the Shuttle E-jets are owned and the 145's are leased, so DAL would have to buy or lease the aircraft assigned to the contracts.
Not so fast,
First off, if Republic was originally awarded that flying with the stipulation that they abide by the Delta Scope limit, and then they go out and make aircraft/airline purchases that violate that agreement with Delta, then it would depend on the wording of their contract.
Secondly, if DAL wanted out they would lawyer up and be out in about 10 seconds - Remember Mesa?
Thirdly - they could have other DCI carriers fly them - or even, "GASP," bring them to mainline and have them flown by Delta Pilots.
Finally, this basically provides DALPA more ammunition. It does not really guarantee any results, but what DALPA does with this additional ammunition will be telling.
If they just roll over and say that it does not change a thing, then I predict the DPA will see another membership surge.
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04-08-2011 | 04:36 PM
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All a DPA card really authorizes is an "official" vote at a later time. I cannot understand the reasoning as to why more do not send the card in; if anything, it serves as a shot across ALPA's (Moak's) bow.
04-08-2011 | 05:56 PM
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Would anyone be interested in signing up for a Delta credit card with me? One referal is a nice pay bump for an M88B.
04-08-2011 | 06:59 PM
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I'm not sure I would do it quite like this, and maybe Alfa has a point WRT timing. This is the classic sequence of events when something like this happens:
1) Someone on the internet reports an event and suggests an implication.
2) Someone else takes the ball and runs with it.
3) Someone with some other agenda jumps all over it to criticize the union, or the current people in the union.
4) Someone that's a close supporter of the union, or the current people in the union, jumps in for counter-insurgency and interference.
5) One of these two (above) starts calling the other one stupid.
6) Stupid follows-up with a "I know you are but what am I?"
7) Someone jumps in once again to re-driect, and offers a legal ruling.
8) And someone else sets up expections: the union has to fight, it has to win, and it has to win now, now, now.
9) Everyone agrees: now, now, now is the time.
10) With the expectations thus set, disappointment is almost immediate, and lasting, because the union can't even meet to set a direction, or formulate an answer. By then, everyone in the union, or near the union is on the defensive, and consumed with calling everyone "stupid" that's calling them "panzies".
Personally, I don't care if the union takes a few days. I don't care if the process start local, with a little info from the reps, letting us know they're taking a look at this. Then the MEC can meet. They can talk about with the company. They can seek to find remedies and solution without jumping in the expectations game. They can do a little soul-searching, and a little strategic planning. They can be smart.
I just would like them, once in a while, to conclude from their soul-searching that it's OK to roll the dice on a skirmish, just to make sure the troops are still alert, and reassure us the officers still have some fight in them. I don't want knee-jerk reactions, and I don't need instant reactions either. I just think deliberate planning doesn't preclude ocasionally engaging. And I think a force that's got some fight in it might get some surprising results. But we'll never know if we never try.
This seems like a subject we should battle over.
Let's see what develops.
1) Someone on the internet reports an event and suggests an implication.
2) Someone else takes the ball and runs with it.
3) Someone with some other agenda jumps all over it to criticize the union, or the current people in the union.
4) Someone that's a close supporter of the union, or the current people in the union, jumps in for counter-insurgency and interference.
5) One of these two (above) starts calling the other one stupid.
6) Stupid follows-up with a "I know you are but what am I?"
7) Someone jumps in once again to re-driect, and offers a legal ruling.
8) And someone else sets up expections: the union has to fight, it has to win, and it has to win now, now, now.
9) Everyone agrees: now, now, now is the time.
10) With the expectations thus set, disappointment is almost immediate, and lasting, because the union can't even meet to set a direction, or formulate an answer. By then, everyone in the union, or near the union is on the defensive, and consumed with calling everyone "stupid" that's calling them "panzies".
Personally, I don't care if the union takes a few days. I don't care if the process start local, with a little info from the reps, letting us know they're taking a look at this. Then the MEC can meet. They can talk about with the company. They can seek to find remedies and solution without jumping in the expectations game. They can do a little soul-searching, and a little strategic planning. They can be smart.
I just would like them, once in a while, to conclude from their soul-searching that it's OK to roll the dice on a skirmish, just to make sure the troops are still alert, and reassure us the officers still have some fight in them. I don't want knee-jerk reactions, and I don't need instant reactions either. I just think deliberate planning doesn't preclude ocasionally engaging. And I think a force that's got some fight in it might get some surprising results. But we'll never know if we never try.
This seems like a subject we should battle over.
Let's see what develops.
I do think that this will be a litmus test for DALPA and it would "appear" that this is something worth fighting for. I think that there will be a lot of pilots that may need to be convinced otherwise if DALPA decides this is not something to fight for.
04-08-2011 | 07:40 PM
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04-08-2011 | 08:25 PM
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Flamer, why didn't I think of that. Good idea and a pay raise for any in need FO.
04-09-2011 | 07:14 AM
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04-09-2011 | 08:29 AM
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Question for fleets that have been using ship sets for a while. Now that we don't have our own FOM, VOL 1 etc, how are your fleets getting the changes out to crews? When we had our own I would read over the changes as I did the revision. To me it seems we are going to be missing alot of changes as the librarians will be doing the changes. Don't get me wrong it is great not doing Jepp. revisions and lugging the bag, but dare I say that we should have kept our own Vol 1, and Fom.
04-09-2011 | 08:31 AM
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You can sign up somewhere on deltanet to keep getting revisions.
04-09-2011 | 09:20 AM
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Question for fleets that have been using ship sets for a while. Now that we don't have our own FOM, VOL 1 etc, how are your fleets getting the changes out to crews? When we had our own I would read over the changes as I did the revision. To me it seems we are going to be missing alot of changes as the librarians will be doing the changes. Don't get me wrong it is great not doing Jepp. revisions and lugging the bag, but dare I say that we should have kept our own Vol 1, and Fom.
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