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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 979695)
Sorry Carl, but it's not relevant. We all know that NWA went on strike, and we... well I anyway, don't care. It doesn't mean anything.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 979857)
Oh my God! How could I have forgotten that?
Carl - Today's winner of the Le Douche Le Bag award. You mean like this?:D |
Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 979856)
I usually try to agree with ACL, but in this case I can't. We (DALPA) aren't even trying to fight the RAH issue. It might upset the apple cart and imperil the cushy (read lucrative) relationship our DALPA leaders enjoy with Management.
Ultimately I think all unions are doomed because they have lost sight of what they are supposed to represent and instead begin to enjoy the benefits/power of their position. They lose sight of what the line pilots want because they no longer are line pilots themselves. If we don't ask (read challenge) the company about section 1, we won't get. We'll do exactly what FTB proposes in his stop light post, we'll end up once again at the receiving end of a bully's put down. Like a elementary school fight, the bully won't stop until you stand up to him. For God's sake DALPA/ALPA grow a set and stand up for what has been negotiated. It's one thing to fight and fail, it's another to fail to fight - that's COWARDICE! |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 979832)
But if we terminate the RAH owned CHQ and Shuttle CPAs we'd be doing so with cause, like MESA was terminated, right?
... Wouldn't that be doing Delta Air Lines management a huge favor getting rid of a future competitor that's using our money to fund their new operation and acquisitions? Not to mention, they want out of the RJ business, right? If ALPA won't enforce the contract, maybe an individual grievance? Has anyone tried to file? |
Let's go back to 1993 for just a moment. You had a new President, Bill Clinton and Buzzpat was already in his office probably, you had the Buffalo Bills losing their 3rd consecutive Super Bowl, Iraq refused to allow weapons inspectors in, the World Trade Center was bombed, Lorena Bobbit was slicing and dicing, Bobby Brown was arrested in Atlanta, NASA lost control of a Mars orbiter and Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You was number 1.
Oh and... Now I don't have any quotes but I'm sure it went something like this: Pilot: What the #@$% is that? ALPA: It's a regional jet. Pilot: And we're going to fly that thing? ALPA: Actually Comair is going to fly it. Pilot: Whoa! We're not flying it? ALPA: No, no. You don't want to fly it. It's not a Boeing, Douglas or even an Airbus. It's just a crappy cramped little jet that we here like to call a "FLAP" and nobody will like it anyways and eventually the company will stop flying it. It's not worth a second thought, it'll go away. Pilot: How in the hell did we get to this position?!?!? Now, here we are in 2011 wondering is ALPA about to tell us that this...ALPA: Don't blame us, you voted for it for the past 17 years! Republic Airways http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1302720057 Republic Airways Holdings, based in Indianapolis, Indiana, is an airline holding company that owns Chautauqua Airlines, Frontier Airlines, Lynx Aviation, Republic Airlines and Shuttle America. Our business strategy was developed by our experienced team of senior airline executives. The company’s business model incorporates sound business strategies and insights for the development and management of airlines operating throughout the United States. We are professionals for whom flight – and the business of flying – are equal parts art and science. The Republic Airways senior leadership team has extensive experience growing airlines while delivering a high-quality and low-cost product. They have successfully developed the enterprise into a leading airline holding company that includes one of the largest regional jet fixed-fee operations in the industry, with code-share partnerships with American Airlines, Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and US Airways. Republic also owns and operates its own brand, Frontier Airlines, an award-winning low-cost airline. ... is not a single airline and we shouldn't we worried about a thing and it's not against our contract as far as we're concerned so stuff it you keyboard warriors? Sweet. Wonder where this will end up? |
Originally Posted by trlaketige
(Post 979742)
ACL, I raise the B.S. flag. Once again Alpa allowed an end run while looking for a play up the middle. This career has been one big death spiral for the last 25 years. The harder we pull, the tighter the spiral. ALPA has been at the controls the whole time.
Jim Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 979791)
Look at what a Heat Surgeon Makes for a routine bypass surgery. His office will get about five to seven grand depending on the insurance provider. Now compare that to 1985. Look at their W-2's. Not in comparison to us, but to what they used to make. Again market forces.
Best paid Doctors today are Radiologists. 600K or so to start with a health care system and 17 weeks of vacation. Trust me I know this as it was what a close friend was paying to hire them. As more Docs enter this skill set the forces will readjust. As for what you quoted. We have a tremendous responsibility, and not one that we should diminish. even if everyone else wants to. It is a responsibility that the passengers do not necessarily want to pay for because we as an industry have conditioned them that they do not have to. Doctors are doing it too with PA's etc. We see them as good enough without a serious risk to our well being. It comes with doing your job well almost all of the time and it becomes routine. Routine for you and for the market in which you work. That said, we as pilots need to realize the danger of diminishing what we do. It effects us at the ticket counter and at the negotiating table. Here's what I think is a really good article along these lines. I don't agree with every single statement in this article. But I think the vast majority of it is spot on. This article was my very first input to my new reps in MEM. (Still waiting for a response from them on this.) Anyway, I highly recommend that everyone (especially Satchip) read this. It's long... so read it when you have the time to really digest it. The Way It Has To Be |
Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 979856)
I usually try to agree with ACL, but in this case I can't. We (DALPA) aren't even trying to fight the RAH issue. It might upset the apple cart and imperil the cushy (read lucrative) relationship our DALPA leaders enjoy with Management.
Ultimately I think all unions are doomed because they have lost sight of what they are supposed to represent and instead begin to enjoy the benefits/power of their position. They lose sight of what the line pilots want because they no longer are line pilots themselves. If we don't ask (read challenge) the company about section 1, we won't get. We'll do exactly what FTB proposes in his stop light post, we'll end up once again at the receiving end of a bully's put down. Like a elementary school fight, the bully won't stop until you stand up to him. For God's sake DALPA/ALPA grow a set and stand up for what has been negotiated. It's one thing to fight and fail, it's another to fail to fight - that's COWARDICE! This!!! Carl |
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 979864)
That's part of the irony here. The System Board of Adjustment might just uphold this grievance unanimously. If we could only convince ALPA to file it.
If ALPA won't enforce the contract, maybe an individual grievance? Has anyone tried to file? With any grievance, there's always a company rep and a union rep. Very rarely, the company will agree that they were wrong, so the vote is 2-Yes, and 0-No...the grievance is won. When the company doesn't agree, a neutral arbitrator is selected to break the presumed tie vote. But if your own union agrees with the company, the grievance is lost without ever going to an arbitrator because the company votes no, and the union rep votes no. Your individual grievance is lost. Carl |
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