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JobHopper 04-23-2011 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 984552)
It now looks like the rumor on the forum is that they will keep the DC-9s until 2012. I guess someone heard it during some meeting in MEM.

Any confirmation?

I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.

newKnow 04-23-2011 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 984562)
I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.


Wow.


Like I said if you don't like a rumor at Delta, just wait a while, it will probably change.

I've also heard that pilots from Chicago will NOT be given super seniority to fly left seat of the 777 out of ATL as well. :D

Thanks, Job.

firstmob 04-23-2011 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 984562)
I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.

What does marketing need them for, LGA?

RiddleEagle18 04-23-2011 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 984562)
I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.

Interesting that the number is 6. Delta failed to secure 6 of the 12 e170's that compass was supposed to get. Only 6 are being put into service now.





*Side note: The flow through rumors and getting stronger on this side. Rumors of letters going out in a couple weeks. If you work the numbers backwards it makes sense.

Delta must give compass 45 days notice. Plus 90 days worth of hold backs would put new hires in class in mid October for 2012 flying. Just like last year.

hockeypilot44 04-23-2011 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 984581)
Interesting that the number is 6. Delta failed to secure 6 of the 12 e170's that compass was supposed to get. Only 6 are being put into service now.





*Side note: The flow through rumors and getting stronger on this side. Rumors of letters going out in a couple weeks. If you work the numbers backwards it makes sense.

Delta must give compass 45 days notice. Plus 90 days worth of hold backs would put new hires in class in mid October for 2012 flying. Just like last year.

Are you saying Delta is going to furlough or hire?

RiddleEagle18 04-23-2011 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 984583)
Are you saying Delta is going to furlough or hire?

Hire......

Carl Spackler 04-23-2011 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 984553)
That contract summary is well below my standards for the next DALPA PWA by a longshot.

No one(DALPA/DPA/DAL) can or will lower my personal expectations.

That's good to hear. You'll be needing to really pressure DALPA to understand your point of view though...because all their literature thus far seems clearly aimed at getting us to see things through the eyes of management.


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 984553)
So did SWAPA get this though confrontational policies/behaviors or through constructive engagement?

They got it through a positive approach with management where both treat the other with respect. Our management only treats DALPA people with respect IF those DALPA people see things through their eyes. Then those DALPA folks are described by management as: "visionary union leaders, and modern thinking union leaders."

Unlike SWA, ours is a totally one-sided relationship where only our union's weakness is appreciated.


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 984553)
Why is SWAPA "carrying managment's water"?

I would carry management's water too if our relationship was really based on mutual respect and appreciation for what the other is worth to the success of the airline. That is NOT the case at Delta.


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 984553)
(On page 6 they talk about how SWA and SWAPA are side by side at social/family events).

Sounds like a lot of fun...doesn't it.

But none of those SWA guys get the privilege of hawking credit cards for management like I get to do. I'll bet they're SO jealous of what we have here!

Carl

Thrust Normal 04-23-2011 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 984581)
Interesting that the number is 6. Delta failed to secure 6 of the 12 e170's that compass was supposed to get. Only 6 are being put into service now.

Also with the 90's taking longer to come on line.

Fly4hire 04-23-2011 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 984562)
I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.

Which LEC?

DAL 88 Driver 04-23-2011 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 984617)
They got it through a positive approach with management where both treat the other with respect. Our management only treats DALPA people with respect IF those DALPA people see things through their eyes. Then those DALPA folks are described by management as: "visionary union leaders, and modern thinking union leaders."

Unlike SWA, ours is a totally one-sided relationship where only our union's weakness is appreciated.



I would carry management's water too if our relationship was really based on mutual respect and appreciation for what the other is worth to the success of the airline. That is NOT the case at Delta.

Thanks, Carl. I was just about to reply to shiznit. You saved me the time!

Spot on analysis. And BTW, I'm all for proactive engagement the way it is at SWA. This is the way things are supposed to work in a healthy business. Unfortunately, like you said, this is NOT the situation we have today at Delta. We are being taken extreme advantage of... and DALPA isn't lifting a finger to even point it out, much less trying to correct it.


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