Does Tsquare mean terminator 2 or does it mean a t shaped thing that makes it easy to draw right angles or does it mean twin turbo or does it mean you stutter when you say T?

Chuck, are you still MEM based? If so, you might want to have a talk with your reps as two of the three are NOT on board with restoration of anything like C2K wages.

You can't go to court. The RLA forces you to go through the contractual grievance process. Since the use of holding companies is not new and we did not in the past with this same issue file a grievance the chances of winning are zero.

Maybe low but not zero....... It's time for DALPA to press some issues.

I'm amazed that there are pilots at our airline that still have faith in ALPA after all of the little things like this that ALPA has failed on. Our scope section is garbage. Even when in my opinion, our scope section should protect us, ALPA signs an LOA letting the company off the hook or puts out some b.s. statement like this.

For those of you expecting big raises next contract, don't count on it. The head of ALPA National himself put out a letter around Christmas time telling us that our pay has been restored to pre-bankruptcy levels. He left out the gem that the Delta pilots took TWO VOLUNTARY CONCESSIONS before the big bankruptcy hit. He also left out the fact that your work rules and pensions were obliterated (this was prior to me working at Delta). He was just comparing hourly rates. If the head of ALPA National thinks our restoration is complete and puts it in writing, what do you think the chances of us actually getting anything significant is?

ALPA cannot be fixed. It is a corrupt organization that needs shut down and rebuilt from scratch.

Way to go Deltoids.. Keep raising your nose and looking the other way when you see regional pilots - you guys are just that badass.

I do architecture in my other life - buildings, not systems or computers

Another total mischaracterization in order to defend your indefensible position. His plan is not "essentially" the same as APA at American. APA opened every section of the contract and left hundreds of items unresolved when the NMB came in.

Our plan should be C2K restoration - which would cost approximately 850 million per year...despite apologists like yourself stating it would cost 3 billion, 4 billion, 5 billion, 6 billion, etc. 850 million is easily afforded by this massive and profitable company. A fare increase of just a few dollars per ticket would make up our C2K pay restoration, AND allow the company to keep its current net margins.

That SHOULD be our plan...but it is NOT. ALPA/DALPA does not want that. You don't want that because ALPA/DALPA doesn't want that. But instead of simply admitting you're too weak to even ask for restoration, you invoke APA's experience with the NMB to try and weaken the resolve of Delta pilots. Weaken their resolve to your level that is.

Carl

Intrigued. Three questions for you.

1) What grievance are you talking about? Filing one saying what?

2) When it comes to RAH I'm curious what you would like to see happen?

3) Are you trying to foretell what ALPA legal counsel and the MEC are going to say about the various issues involved with the legal definition of an "air carrier"?

Once we get scope to SWA levels sand kill off delta connection we will be bad asses.