Congrats & enjoy it! :D

Easy. They're not doing it now because management wants to "save" any fare increases for items THEY believe in. Every time they contemplate a fare increase, they make a business case to themselves as to why the attempt should be made. There is no desire on their part to make pilot pay a worthwhile effort because they know the have ALPA/DALPA on their side. ALPA/DALPA does not want C2K restoration any more than management does. That's the sick part of this.

You are purposely stating falsehoods...and you know it. Delta STARTED a number of the fare hikes in the hopes the rest of the industry would participate. Sometimes the industry did, and sometimes the industry didn't. But at no time did the industry know WHY Delta wanted to institute the fare increase. The bottom line is that our management does NOT WANT to institute a fare increase to fund more pilot pay...and neither does our own union.

Is that because our competitors were sure that the fare increase wasn't being instituted to increase pilot pay? :rolleyes:

Carl

I read in another forum JFK-TXL is going away. Bummer.

That flight seemed to always be full.

I guess AF or KLM will do it via AMS or CDG?

OK alfa, let's stipulate this is all DALPA has been doing thus far. Just trying to educate us on what they know, and not trying to get us to see management's point of view. Can you at least agree, that the FREAKING EDUCATION PROCESS IS NOW OVER! Can we at least agree that ALL future communications from our union will be to educate us as to how far below we are from leading our industry for a pilot contract? And to educate us about how our airline can easily afford it? And to educate us on DALPA's plan to achieve this by December 2012? Can we at least agree to that?

Fine. Our knowledge base is plenty expanded now. Let's start communicating the plan for victory.

There will never NOT be uncertainty in the air. Never. This statement is classic lowering of expectations through generic unstated fear. Not to mention the insulting comment of "new information can be seen as threatening." You really must think you're the smartest guy in the room.

I believe that to be totally false. I believe lowering our expectations is precisely what our union is doing now. I look forward to DALPA beginning to prove me wrong.

Hilarious. Start proving me wrong.

Carl

I don't think I said anything close to what you're putting forth. Simply that if you look at the amount of money generated from a typical flight the expense of crew is comes in right above the bottled water. But hey, don't consider it; look at it all from the eyes of management and be happy with that perspective if you prefer.

Man, you cannot believe your own drivel here, can you?

Why wouldn't management institute a fare increase to line their own pockets then? They get "incentive compensation" to do things like that...:rolleyes:

You're way off your game.

From talking to my reps, they agree that it is a priority. From what I gather the sentiment was; We may not like the facts, but they are the facts nonetheless.

Just remember what you priorities are when you fill out the survey.

I don't think I'm going to leave it to my children to argue over once I'm dead, I prefer to do it myself.:D:D

(BTW, I agree with your conclusion.)

This is such a critical point scambo. We must ask ourselves why ALPA is worthy to be our bargaining agent. The conventional "wisdom" is ALPA is worthy because of all their unmatched expertise. If that's the case, how in God's name could these experts have not advised all the local ALPA's that anything they gave up in Scope could NEVER AGAIN be recouped by a strike action if management disagreed? This is EXACTLY why you have legal experts advising you. How could this critical information have been kept from us?

That is true, but this miscalculation would never have occured had we been told that Section 1 is unique in that management cannot force any change to it, and we can never strike over it. This is a shocking failure of ALPA national's legal experts.

Absolutely correct. Spot on.

Carl