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Old 06-12-2011 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
Ok. Someone tell me if this passes the sniff test regarding PS end of rotation DH. Skeds says they can't book you on a flight if it's oversold. Then what's the point of PS? Also, they said they can only book PS for you for the number of legs that you were initially scheduled to DH. Didn't have time to try to book it myself. Anyone in the know please elaborate.
Its still an extremely valuable option because it puts you ahead of all non revs, even S2's and S1's, and as long as a seat is available when you book it, it prevents you from being bumped by positive space as well. The number of legs and many other functions I believe stem from the logic that you are owed a trip back to base, but if you don't take it then they will give you the equivalent (with a few restrictions) basically anywhere else you want to go. Over all an epic good deal! Its not an open ticket blank check, but its pretty close (the DCI exclusions notwithstanding but w/e).
Old 06-12-2011 | 09:50 AM
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DL Replacing AF On ORD-CDG — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

DL Replacing AF On ORD-CDG to start Nov 6, 5X/week on 763.

DELTA replace AIRFRANCE on Chicago – Paris CDG in W11; Interruption to AF nearly 60-year service
As per 12JUN11 GDS timetable and inventory display, DELTA starting 29OCT11 will replace AIRFRANCE on Chicago – Paris CDG service, which also marks the interruption of AIRFRANCE’s own operation to/from Chicago for the first time in nearly 60 consecutive years. For the moment this is only in effect for Winter 2011/12 season only.

DELTA will operate Boeing 767 aircraft instead of AIRFRANCE A330-200 on this route, frequency remains unchanged for winter season. Currently AIRFRANCE operating flight (AF664/667) is still available for reservation but will be closed soon.

Schedule:

DL592 ORD1710 – 0835+1CDG 767 x13
DL593 CDG1035 – 1340ORD 767 x13
Old 06-12-2011 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
I don't know what Delta's typical failure rate is in training but only 1 out of 60 CPZ Flow through pilots did not finish training successfully. I am not sure how many of the 60 were on the -9 or -88. I know there were quite a few on the A320 and about 3 or 4 went to the 757.

In other words, we (CPZ) haven't heard of "flow" pilots having any more problems or lack there of in training than any other Delta new hires.

Also, what are you referring to when you say the "number of commercial pilots who have departed controlled flight recently"?

I am not arguing with you, I just want to be in the know.
Passing training and having a few extra sims are two different things. DAL works with anyone with a good attitude, and will give extra sims if needed. The attitude needs to be there though.
Old 06-12-2011 | 10:05 AM
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DL Replacing AF On ORD-CDG — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

DL Replacing AF On ORD-CDG to start Nov 6, 5X/week on 763.

DELTA replace AIRFRANCE on Chicago – Paris CDG in W11; Interruption to AF nearly 60-year service
As per 12JUN11 GDS timetable and inventory display, DELTA starting 29OCT11 will replace AIRFRANCE on Chicago – Paris CDG service, which also marks the interruption of AIRFRANCE’s own operation to/from Chicago for the first time in nearly 60 consecutive years. For the moment this is only in effect for Winter 2011/12 season only.

DELTA will operate Boeing 767 aircraft instead of AIRFRANCE A330-200 on this route, frequency remains unchanged for winter season. Currently AIRFRANCE operating flight (AF664/667) is still available for reservation but will be closed soon.

Schedule:

DL592 ORD1710 – 0835+1CDG 767 x13
DL593 CDG1035 – 1340ORD 767 x13
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Wonder if the trip will have a surface transport from DTW?
Old 06-12-2011 | 10:25 AM
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Wonder if the trip will have a surface transport from DTW?

Heard this from a ORD gate agent this past week. Just tucked it away and then forgot about it.

As for ground transport. from DTW in the winter, I know that was TIC. But I-94 on south side of the lake in the winter is UGLY.
Old 06-12-2011 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I had a guy coming from the 320 have a horrible time with the 737. The instructor even went so far as to call Minne to talk with the 320 instuctors to get some help for this guy.

Luckily for me, I had already been on the airplane a few years earlier and only needed a refresher. The guy wasn't weak, he just wasn't getting the differences. Had a hell of a time. I even took the time to write it up. I never write anything up. The 320 guys need an FMS class added to the syllabus. It's just too different.
I agree that most things are backwards wrt the fms logic on the two airplanes. I'm still having a helluva time getting the vnav and remembering to punch lnav after executing.

Overall though I think the issue is not with the 737 but with the fact that airbus just does things differently. Having flown several other fms airplanes, the 320 is the only one that stands out as being substantially different. Managed flight is a great thing on the bus once you get used to it, but it's challenging to break out of that mindset when transitioning back to a "normal" jet. Not difficult, just challenging.

I really can't see it being a big enough deal though to be the cause of a training issue. The two airplanes do roughly the same type of flying and operate very similar profiles-with just two very different ways of skinning the cat.

I haven't seen the differences memo, but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe I should go look it up.
Old 06-12-2011 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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I think that sending your instructors out in an extra 300 is cool, but the Extra flies in unusual attitudes all the time and is made to do that, recover, re-enter, etc. all day long.

Some airliners are so pathetically aerodynamic - outside the normal envelope - they need strakes, and mods just to make them pass faa certification - forget fly upside down for a sortie.

I agree, as a minimum standard of private pilot certification, spins are very important...I dont know why they deleted them. How do you get out of a spin if all you have done is been briefed on it?
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That's kind of the point I was making with the Compass flow up guys who where having trouble on the older generation Delta equipment.

All this is making me wonder if the transition the other way (Boeing to Bus) is equally "different."

One point, with all this talk of stalls and spins is, in the civilian world spins just are not taught any more. Given the number of commercial pilots who have departed controlled flight recently it would appear a must that some time in a pilot's training they spin a few airplanes. One regional sent their IP's out to spend a few hours in an Extra 300 before teaching upset recovery training. IMHO, that was an excellent idea (and fun too).



PUT THE GEAR OUT!



I say that because I had NASA Langley folks tell me that. One of them simply built the models for Langleys tunnels and he said to me that "I don't know how to fly an airplane but if you ever get into a spin, extend the gear. It's just what've I seen over and over."

Which is what happened when a cockpit team at Continental Express put a EMB-120 into a spin during climb out with passengers on board. I believe they had left in vertical speed mode in the climb till it stalled and spun. The FO through out the landing gear and it came out. Then they crash landed.
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/Acciden...2011120000.pdf <<< lots of stuff about spins and again, improper stall recovery techniques. I think we ought to go back to approach stall recovery demos having narrow ATP tolerances.
FWIW. Also, you do spin training for your CFI and you teach spins when you're teaching someone to get a CFI. I've spun lots of Skyhawks but the recovery techniques, while albeit for the most part were let go and it'll come out, I found on occasion that it was possible to spin it where that wasn't the case. But for the most part when properly loaded to do spins the airplane didn't want to do without absurd and prolonged control inputs. Put people in the back and it'll spin much easier. eek.

So whether military or civilian, most all of us have learned and taught spins in a Cessna.

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Old 06-12-2011 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
Ok. Someone tell me if this passes the sniff test regarding PS end of rotation DH. Skeds says they can't book you on a flight if it's oversold. Then what's the point of PS? Also, they said they can only book PS for you for the number of legs that you were initially scheduled to DH. Didn't have time to try to book it myself. Anyone in the know please elaborate.
They are absolutely correct. Also, the PS booking cannot be on an 'offline' flight. IOW, it has to be mainline.
Old 06-12-2011 | 11:36 AM
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What is the word on early outs? Had a linecheck the other day, guy said there were more than expected so far, and that was before the announcement about Natco closing, and MSP 330 displacement bid.
Old 06-12-2011 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Harley
Can anyone clarify this one for me? As they retire the dc9 and I possibly get frozen on the dc9 in the next couple AE's, do it get paid what I can hold or what I'm displaced to?

I expect them to phase out the pilots through AE's, it is much cheaper for the company than to pay us the higher rate we can hold.
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