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Jabberwock 06-20-2011 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1011207)
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.

Walked through the Medal of Honor museum recently. The histories of the heroes honored were very interesting to read. When under fire not one of them blurted "dude ... I'm outta here, you're on your own."

Carl Spackler 06-20-2011 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Jabberwock (Post 1011213)
Walked through the Medal of Honor museum recently. The histories of the hero's honored were very interesting to read. When under fire not one of them blurted "dude ... I'm outta here, you're on your own."

Well said.

Carl

flyover 06-20-2011 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1011207)
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.

ACL, hope you're right about the 10%...

What a bunch of selfish whiners! When some Jack A says something like that I ask these guys where exactly they are parked at the employee parking lot and then just stare at them for the rest of the trip. But I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs so I have a high level of intimidation. :D

Bill Lumberg 06-20-2011 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1011181)
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.

Give up scope or try not to regain what we had? There is a difference. Some people don't want to pay to go after the current 76 seaters out there, and I can understand that. But, if they want to give future 100 seaters to Comair or ASA, then that is different. I don't know many who would ever agree to that. Recapturing flying already lost would be very expensive, and that maybe is his point. I personally would never vote to allow any DCI carrier even one more 70 seater or larger.

Bucking Bar 06-20-2011 02:14 PM

Never mind

satchip 06-20-2011 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1011225)
Give up scope or try not to regain what we had? There is a difference. Some people don't want to pay to go after the current 76 seaters out there, and I can understand that. But, if they want to give future 100 seaters to Comair or ASA, then that is different. I don't know many who would ever agree to that. Recapturing flying already lost would be very expensive, and that maybe is his point. I personally would never vote to allow any DCI carrier even one more 70 seater or larger.

Nope, this demographic will sell 100 seat scope for a hefty raise without batting an eye. As one guy put it, "I've go 5 years to maximize my money to make up for what was stolen. After that this place go to ****, I'll be gone."

From a strictly self interest point of you I get it. The loss of the DB and the rise of the DC has created a split in the collective self interest in this industry. Until the Deadzoners are gone, scope sales will have to be monitored closely. Younger guys that are fully invested in the DC plan have more of a long term profitability interest in the company. Not saying those guys are wrong, just different self interests.

chuck416 06-20-2011 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 1011181)
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

What a moron! He takes a 40% pay-cut along with loss of pension and, indicates he'll settle the upcoming contract for 25% raise, AND does not mind a sellout of the junior guys in the process. In the end, he's still down well over 20% from where his wages were pre-bankruptcy, NOT including inflation OR loss of pension! Where DO guys like this come from? What ever happened to "leaving the profession BETTER than when you arrived??? Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in?
Disgusted,
Chuck

johnso29 06-20-2011 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1011230)
Or .........

LMAO!!!! Priceless!!!! :D

Well, I thought it was! :)

Sputnik 06-20-2011 02:28 PM

Still learning--what is your retirement? Just 401K? Who's it through?

Bucking Bar 06-20-2011 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1011235)
LMAO!!!! Priceless!!!! :D

Well, I thought it was! :)

Wife tells me I can't make fun of old men or gays. Apparently drunks are still OK. Feel free to repost (that way I have no culpability).

I did hack his AE and put in MD88B NYC and will PBS early EWR duty ins. Think he will mind?


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