Because if he does he would never be able to run for ALPA President. :rolleyes:

I think you missed the previous poster's quote to which I was responding.

If the company would like to bust the union (which I dont believe) why wouldn't the HMFIC of the union want to strengthen the most important part of the contract. What part of this is telegraphing?

It is survival, not a choice.

They can't bust the union with the CURRENT language. There's no need to strengthen it just for that purpose,

OTOH, if we do wish to strengthen it, that's fine; but telegraphing that is playing into management's hands...

It might have been unintentional, but you just took me back to the ALPA magazine cover that had the Midwest MEC Chair on the cover...all smiles as they were closing the doors.

Also, I dont really need a lesson in negotiation 101. Saying things like "playing into managements hands" is absurd. Flight Ops management IS pilots, they think like pilots, they know and are friends with pilots, they discuss all sorts of things with thier former squadron-mates. It isn't like anything here is some big secret.

ALPA celebrated the last Midwest flight. To this day, I still can't believe that.

This is so important. No furlough clauses are the carrots used by management/ALPA to get buy in from the junior pilots for Scope cave-ins. Increased pay is what they use for the senior pilots. Junior pilots CANNOT buy in to no furlough clauses for Scope sales.

Carl

How can this be Scambo?? Most of the unionoids here consistently state that our reps will never agree to any more Scope concessions. They won't put it in writing, but unionoids are sure about what they've heard from our reps. :rolleyes:

Carl

Lets look at the bright side - remember the Christmas movie with Jimmy Stewart - A wonderful Life?

Every time a bell rings an Angel would get their wings.

Every time there is another Delta outsourcing event the DPA gets a new card. :)

Before all the ALPA defenders pounce on this statement - I am not necessarily for replacing ALPA - but a decent conversation about it, is probably warranted.

Additionally, this kind of thing certainly does raise issues about RJs being self limiting - they are not. They are Scope limited - period. Any weakness in Scope will be exploited to the full extent possible by a management that is apparently still mesmerized by outsourcing to the competition.

Scoop

We are foolish to believe anything else. Keep this in mind as negotiations are just around the corner.

This!!!! I get ill every time I fly into Milwaukee. Instead of hanging their heads in shame at failing a member group, they turned it into a full color glossy on the magazine. Although it had nothing to do with Delta, that was the day I completely lost faith in ALPA.