Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-07-2011 | 06:41 PM
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Bill, our DC plan costs DAL more money on an annual basis than the DB ever did. Because the DB took advantage of market returns which ultimately resulted in minimal required contributions. Once those market returns dried up, they terminated the pension. It was destined to fail, but few realized it. The lump sum provision and run on the bank by the senior guys just guaranteed it.
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07-07-2011 | 06:43 PM
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07-07-2011 | 06:43 PM
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The economy went gangbusters from 03 to 07, this industry was starting a recession in 00 and depression from 01 on. We never got to enjoy the good times because once we were in position 08 happened.
The industry is cursed.
As to CEOs, we have a product, seats and we have a seat inventory. Selling units is selling units and they all have fixed and variable costs, debts and interest and people sometimes in unions sometimes not. We should count ourselves lucky if you have a person who likes aviation verses who was it Ron Allen or Leo that hated pilots with a passion?
I have to be honest, I'm happy our marketing campaign includes airplanes and employees, when I was younger commercials and airports were aircraft focused but for years now it's been these abstract artsy fartsy ads like good goes around or even SWA bag ads and shots of swa employees dancing in downtown that try to ignore the product- air transportation.
The industry is cursed.
As to CEOs, we have a product, seats and we have a seat inventory. Selling units is selling units and they all have fixed and variable costs, debts and interest and people sometimes in unions sometimes not. We should count ourselves lucky if you have a person who likes aviation verses who was it Ron Allen or Leo that hated pilots with a passion?
I have to be honest, I'm happy our marketing campaign includes airplanes and employees, when I was younger commercials and airports were aircraft focused but for years now it's been these abstract artsy fartsy ads like good goes around or even SWA bag ads and shots of swa employees dancing in downtown that try to ignore the product- air transportation.
07-07-2011 | 06:47 PM
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Buck et al., thank you for the discussion about C2K. Most of us at the bottom of the seniority list aren't around when C2K was negotiated. It obviously seemed to me that there were flaws in C2K, and the apex economic condition that was on the edge of downturn proved fatal to a company that made lots of money, but also spent even more money.
It seems to me the "old" DALPA made the most out of it (sans scope) during that negotiation, and the "new" DALPA is trying to be more prudent, telling us that "We know more than you know, but we can't tell you, so just trust us in leading the way". Either way is not what I want.
History is doomed to repeat itself if we don't learn from it.
It seems to me the "old" DALPA made the most out of it (sans scope) during that negotiation, and the "new" DALPA is trying to be more prudent, telling us that "We know more than you know, but we can't tell you, so just trust us in leading the way". Either way is not what I want.
History is doomed to repeat itself if we don't learn from it.
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07-07-2011 | 06:49 PM
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I don't necessarily mind the approach, I mind the results especially when it comes to scope.
RJ's are not good for Delta and they're not good for us and they're not good for DALPA. There only good if you're running for President of ALPA.
See the kid flying the ASA jet and saying good bye to all of the passengers with a I LOVE SWA lanyard as one example.
RJ's are not good for Delta and they're not good for us and they're not good for DALPA. There only good if you're running for President of ALPA.
See the kid flying the ASA jet and saying good bye to all of the passengers with a I LOVE SWA lanyard as one example.
Carl
07-07-2011 | 06:55 PM
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My only contention is that the language of C2K was ill considered and we should not accept status quo in C2012. Section 1 needs to get tossed in favor of inclusive language which defines ALL new flying as ours giving us automatic ownership over any new code share and which recovers outsourced flying as contracts expire.
Carl
07-07-2011 | 06:57 PM
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Carl: Retirement buyout...
Carl,
I am not even sure of your seniority, but did you consider the buyout as proposed recently with our company? With your frozen pension the extra buyout etc.... was it something you considered? Do you want to do anything else or would you like to stay here?
Would a more lucrative buyout get you to go?
I ask for a simple reason.... How much longer do you want to do this? I sense a lot of discontent, it in no way is meant to convey you are not dedicated ( my personal guess is you are disillusioned with the profession like us all) but I am curious where your barometer fell or rose in reference to a buy out...
Just curious...
I am not even sure of your seniority, but did you consider the buyout as proposed recently with our company? With your frozen pension the extra buyout etc.... was it something you considered? Do you want to do anything else or would you like to stay here?
Would a more lucrative buyout get you to go?
I ask for a simple reason.... How much longer do you want to do this? I sense a lot of discontent, it in no way is meant to convey you are not dedicated ( my personal guess is you are disillusioned with the profession like us all) but I am curious where your barometer fell or rose in reference to a buy out...
Just curious...
07-07-2011 | 06:59 PM
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07-07-2011 | 07:06 PM
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The one certainty, is management blaming pilot salary. The other much newer certainty, is the number of young pilots who parrot this nonsense.
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07-07-2011 | 07:07 PM
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I enjoy it. Wait, who you talking about?
We're not paying that. Delta is. We're trying to help them stop it and we're relying on ALPA's lawyers to make that happen.
We're not paying that. Delta is. We're trying to help them stop it and we're relying on ALPA's lawyers to make that happen.
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