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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1019671)
ACL, can u elaborate on this? Does this mean the Frontier Pilots get merged with us? or do we just buy the 320s?
TEN |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1019677)
What determines whether a contract change must be put out for MEMRAT? Is it possible that this could be LOA'd into effect (not that I think any rep I've heard speak is dumb enough to do that) or would a large item such as this need to be voted on by the pilot group?
That aside, I can't believe we're even having this discussion - RUMOR or not. That fact that any one of us, senior/junior/rep/member, would even consider selling even one more airplane's worth of scope is too far out there for me to believe it. I don't buy the argument that we need to "help" management either. Let them order airplanes if they need them. We fly the airplanes. It's that simple. All this shellgame distraction is just that, a distraction. Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. Delta pilots fly Delta airplanes. Fact is that DAL should have been buying jets all along but has not. 40 billion plus in orders is something that will require a lot. Who knows how it will play out, but the debate always has been tighter scope or more pay. |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1019671)
ACL, can u elaborate on this? Does this mean the Frontier Pilots get merged with us? or do we just buy the 320s?
TEN |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1019681)
Fact is that DAL should have been buying jets all along but has not.... Who knows how it will play out, but the debate always has been tighter scope AND more pay.
The fact is that Delta has 722 mainline jets. Assuming a 30 year lifespan requires a replacement rate of about 24 per year (no growth). The current CapEx plan calls for replacement beginning in 2013. In the interim Delta has acquired 49 MD-90's that change fleet age as the 34 remaining DC-9's are parked. The international aircraft average around 11 years in age. The domestic fleet is somewhat older and in need of replacement first. DAL can purchase 24 narrowbody airplanes per year at the $1.2 billion run rate CapEx management has publicly discussed for 2013-2015. Oh, I fixed your post in red above.:p Blue font 11 reflects correction in age from original post of 10. I regret the error |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1019666)
Bucking, I've been mostly agreeing with you lately. But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card. :mad:
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1019670)
Who knows what the intentions are but:
The policy manual states the negotiation committee generally will have an election every two years. Not that it has too. From the reports I am getting the Negotiation Committee has really started working as one, are listening to the reps and what they want, and appear to be the group we want going forward. There is a special MEC meeting next Tuesday to discuss this issue exclusively. As I understand it, the meeting was called by the Reps, not the Admin. Reality is that, this is a good team, we do not need to insert anyone in to it. Many of the reps do not want to call the election. I would suggest calling, your reps and seeing where they stand. From what I do gather, many can assume where a specific rep stands based on their past positions. Also I understand that this will be a recorded vote so everyone will know where each rep stands on this. On the scope sale rumor. Nothing specific or non specific out of the MEC. That said this 25% pay raise rumor seems to be out there a lot. May be a leak from somewhere to see where our collective heads are, and if the support is there the 190 may be in play too. Also hearing that RJET is trying to sell F9 to Pinnacle. We then would get the 320's in exchange for 190 type flying. This rumor is just that, but it seems to be coming from any directions. Suffice to say, the Reps need to support their pilots' wishes not those of anyone else. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1019666)
Bucking, I've been mostly agreeing with you lately. But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card. :mad:
The DPA, if interested in fixing anything, would be trying to fix ALPA. Instead they insist in having their own way, which is a lot like the problems we're having with ALPA currently. It is hoped we can convince our Reps to do the right thing and if that continues to be a problem, we'll have to give someone else a try. I would like written pledges not to sell our membership. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1019686)
That's not a fact, that's your opinion.
The fact is that Delta has 722 mainline jets. Assuming a 30 year lifespan requires a replacement rate of about 24 per year (no growth). The current CapEx plan calls for replacement beginning in 2013. In the interim Delta has acquired 49 MD-90's that change fleet age as the 34 remaining DC-9's are parked. The international aircraft average around 10 years in age. The domestic fleet is somewhat older and in need of replacement first. DAL can purchase 24 narrowbody airplanes per year at the $1.2 billion run rate CapEx management has publicly discussed for 2013-2015. Oh, I fixed your post in red above.:p |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1019625)
ts great the new guys can tell us everything we did wrong after 911. They did not however live through it and despite that fact that according to many new pilots we failed completely they have eagerly sought work here. Very confusing to me!
I thought you are better than that... Being critical sometimes is part of making something good better. Is it possible that by admitting past missteps we can, as a pilot group, learn from them so as to make more informed decisions in the future... I have two high hopes for C2012: That those who were hit hardest by the events of the last 10 years be made substantially whole. That we grow as an airline by minimizing as much as feasible flying performed on behalf of Delta by non-Delta pilots. If we announce a codeshare or JV and simultaneously announce the need to hire based on that new agreement I'm all for it. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1019681)
...tighter scope AND more pay.
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1019686)
Oh, I fixed your post in red above.:p
That should be our motto going forward. Cheers George |
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