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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 1083401)

You think that the over 60 group would leave to keep pilots from being furloughed. You are dreaming. They care about number one, regardless if it smells like number two.

Of course not, the point was that they cannot shartshoot when they will leave. No pension, no set retirement date, no ability to forecast staffing needs to that level, therefore very unlikely to furlough a few hundred for the sake thereof.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1083398)

It's about time. I wonder if they'll disclose what was used as leverage?

Maybe never. Take a guess. :D

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Originally Posted by kamsman (Post 1083382)

What are the options/cost for a commute to NYC? Crash pad or hotel?

It is about $600 to $700 a month to commute.

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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1083399)

Yup, and the best money saver would be to have no employees or jets and just be a ticket reseller, AKA Ticketmaster, on "branded" lift.

Someone pointed out you can already by a ticket on DAL from SEA to SYD via LAX and never actually fly DAL metal :mad:

You can even do it BOS SEA LAX SYD.

How about West Jet MIA, YYZ CDG. There are no doubt way to work around the DAL metal if one so chooses.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1083403)

With the bankruptcy pay out and the PBGC. Who does not have a pension? It may not be what it was but they still get something.

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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1083399)

Family member bought tickets, in the summer, for a trip on DAL. I looked it up on travel net and it indeed had a "DL" code on it. And the aircraft did say 738.

On day of arrival, FAM. couldn't find the gate and called RES. They gave him the correct gate and info. When he showed up, there was an ALASKA 738 at the gate. My father was confused but he sure loved the Alaska service.

TEN

PS. I have a feeling as we get closer to demanding what we are worth, the company is going to play a little psychological war-fare, just enough to scare the ones who have never seen the playbook.;)

They already started by making the schedules stink. Now we are trying watch our schedules under the coconut. Mean while our money on the table just disappeared.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1083404)

Maybe never. Take a guess. :D

I have a very good idea of what they used. I just wonder if they'll ever share it. :mad:

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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 1083405)

It is about $600 to $700 a month to commute.

Unless you get a crash pad.

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Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1083393)

You have a rudimentary understanding of our contract at best. The AT purchase was NOT a violation of our contract. There is a provision to run a wholly owned subsidiary for 24 months after final closing. After that 24 month window all flying must be done by SWAPA pilots. We do not allow ANY domestic code share period.

Maybe I didn't illustrate that very well, but what you say is not inconsistent with what I meant. But I did not know that there was a 24 month grace period. That really begs the question as to why you didn't get anything other than your seniority grab. Why did management feel it so imperative to insert itself into the process? Why above all else are SWAPA afraid to go to arbitration?

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Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1083393)

You state that management would get rid of the scope clause in order to facilitate an acquisition on a larger scale is completely incorrect. Management cannot nullify any portion of our CBA without OUR CONSENT. Our consent will never be given. We like the way the agreement is written. It provides many disincentives for anything other than internal growth. Our section 1 also provides protections against structuring any deal where another entity would eventually be the surviving carrier after a merger.

Of course management cannot unilaterally nullify the scope provision that has served you so well... duuuuh. And of course you like the way it is written, it favors you very well. But... this merger has probably come at a cost to that sacred culture... probably. You might be right that the AT guys will be blinded by the money, and will forget over time how this went down. Then again, maybe not. I still contend that this was your silver bullet. SWA won't have the money to try this with a bigger player like AK, but if they DID, it would not be nearly as easy to trample the other group. Management won't be able to come down as heavy handed as they did here. You did well except that I still wonder what you got in return other than seniority... or is the koolaid flow THAT strong at SWA...