Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2011 | 06:40 AM
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From: maddoggy dog
If it was him he would be proud to say he had a hot wife.....and ex-wife.
....and a smokin' hot daughter.
07-11-2011 | 06:49 AM
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But more on topic, since none of us not privvy to the questions (care to give us some hints?) how can we possibly think of what we want to put on the surveys? Unless they are essay questions, (which would take months and months to digest because of the shear volume) it is gonna be the MMPI all over again... yeah.. you more than anybody should know how easy it is to manage the group. You see it daily.
07-11-2011 | 06:52 AM
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Oh great. Clark Howard is back to his Delta bashing and Southwest loving again. Today he pointed out our last place customer satisfaction rating from some recent survey. He had a huge smile when he glowingly stated the number one carrier was southwest. I thought he was going to make happypants juice on live tv!! He then stated how you can get so much more on a low cost carrier than a legacy. Really? How are those first class seats treating ya hater boy. Delta must have really ****ed in this guys cheerios in the past for him to always bash us.
(In no way is this a Southwest bash, just a Clark Howard bash)
(In no way is this a Southwest bash, just a Clark Howard bash)
07-11-2011 | 06:54 AM
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I have talked to our cargo managers all over the world and they all state they could fill up a cargo jet multiple times a week. There is a market there, and if done correctly, it would add to the bottom line.
The only thing standing in our way is the order book that AF has for cargo jets......
And Delta is not doing this.... why again?
07-11-2011 | 07:02 AM
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Oh great. Clark Howard is back to his Delta bashing and Southwest loving again. Today he pointed out our last place customer satisfaction rating from some recent survey. He had a huge smile when he glowingly stated the number one carrier was southwest. I thought he was going to make happypants juice on live tv!! He then stated how you can get so much more on a low cost carrier than a legacy. Really? How are those first class seats treating ya hater boy. Delta must have really ****ed in this guys cheerios in the past for him to always bash us.
(In no way is this a Southwest bash, just a Clark Howard bash)
(In no way is this a Southwest bash, just a Clark Howard bash)
07-11-2011 | 07:31 AM
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We would do better if we prohibited the union guys from signing those confidentiality agreements.
Management invites them to their parties and makes them feel like they are part of some "inner circle" of illuminati and many of them end up thinking they are junior executives and forget who they really work for.
Management uses the selective distribution of "privileged information" to control our union.
Same with the pilot seat on the BOD. Its something ALPA National wants as part of their political agenda so they can feel like they are taking part in "corporate governance". In reality, its used by management to draw the union into their schemes to lower the cost of labor.
We're dreaming if we think management is ever going to provide the union guys with some confidential report saying we could afford to give the pilots a 50% raise. There will however be plenty of secret data showing how critical it is to control our labor costs because fuel hedging is so difficult to master.
Management invites them to their parties and makes them feel like they are part of some "inner circle" of illuminati and many of them end up thinking they are junior executives and forget who they really work for.
Management uses the selective distribution of "privileged information" to control our union.
Same with the pilot seat on the BOD. Its something ALPA National wants as part of their political agenda so they can feel like they are taking part in "corporate governance". In reality, its used by management to draw the union into their schemes to lower the cost of labor.
We're dreaming if we think management is ever going to provide the union guys with some confidential report saying we could afford to give the pilots a 50% raise. There will however be plenty of secret data showing how critical it is to control our labor costs because fuel hedging is so difficult to master.
Anyone know a good producer?
07-11-2011 | 07:37 AM
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From: LAX ERA
Flamer, you crazy TV exec you!!
But, wait........take like a dozen pilot types, put them in a big house (an airline exec would never go to a desert island) and let them kiss ass in dozens of situations over weeks. Every week, RA could look at one and say "back to line flying" until one is left.
It's gold I tell ya it's gold!!
But, wait........take like a dozen pilot types, put them in a big house (an airline exec would never go to a desert island) and let them kiss ass in dozens of situations over weeks. Every week, RA could look at one and say "back to line flying" until one is left.
It's gold I tell ya it's gold!!
07-11-2011 | 07:47 AM
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Lets look at the freighters for a second. Lets also look at why the operation was shut down.
First the 742 was a maintenance pig, and as a result had to have some very skill mechanics working on it. After the NWA Mechanic strike these skilled workers were gone and the dispatch reliability went though the floor. This was what did in the last contract that NWA had for their dedicated freighter fleet.
Combine this with no fleet renewal and you have a recipe for a failed business model.
There is so much cargo just waiting for be forwarded by anyone with a jet, that upstarts like Southern Air have been able to make a go at it with almost no logistics in place.
The reality is Atlas/Polar is a great buyout target for any airline that wants to do cargo. If I were DAL I would be looking at operating a small fleet of dedicated freighters. I know you disagree with this. It is a fact that there are lucrative contracts in dedicated freight to be had.
I have talked to our cargo managers all over the world and they all state they could fill up a cargo jet multiple times a week. There is a market there, and if done correctly, it would add to the bottom line.
The only thing standing in our way is the order book that AF has for cargo jets......
First the 742 was a maintenance pig, and as a result had to have some very skill mechanics working on it. After the NWA Mechanic strike these skilled workers were gone and the dispatch reliability went though the floor. This was what did in the last contract that NWA had for their dedicated freighter fleet.
Combine this with no fleet renewal and you have a recipe for a failed business model.
There is so much cargo just waiting for be forwarded by anyone with a jet, that upstarts like Southern Air have been able to make a go at it with almost no logistics in place.
The reality is Atlas/Polar is a great buyout target for any airline that wants to do cargo. If I were DAL I would be looking at operating a small fleet of dedicated freighters. I know you disagree with this. It is a fact that there are lucrative contracts in dedicated freight to be had.
I have talked to our cargo managers all over the world and they all state they could fill up a cargo jet multiple times a week. There is a market there, and if done correctly, it would add to the bottom line.
The only thing standing in our way is the order book that AF has for cargo jets......
But, as I recall, two thing killed cargo:
1 - The trade deficit. The jets were coming home full, but going over mostly empty.
2 - MX problems as ACL mentioned that resulted in the loss of the contracts we did have.
But, I think the biggest problem was the jet itself. Like everything with the whale, when it makes money it's a cash cow. When it doesn't make money, it.............well you know.
There was never a mix of whales, 767s or 757 (like FedEx is doing now). If we ever want to get back into cargo, and I would suggest we don't and never will, is you'll need a mix of several jets. Converting our 747-400s as they come out of pax service will just set us up to fail again.
JMHO,
Ferd <-------was never a cargo guy
07-11-2011 | 07:48 AM
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From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
"No money in freight," but our JV partners keep adding new build 777Fs to their fleet.
I'm all for belly cargo, bring it on. But let seniority and the bidding system decide if Delta pilots want to fly pax vs freight. This is a big hole in our current PWA...
At one point similar sentiment permitted the rapid and unprecedented growth of RJs at Delta. There is no other airline that has as many RJs as Delta does.
That ship has sailed, I know, but there are important lessons to be learned from recent history. I hope we can use them to improve, simplify and strengthen our PWA going forward.
Cheers
George
07-11-2011 | 07:52 AM
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ACL,
I don't often get to say this anymore... but great post!
I only take exception with the last paragraph. I agree with you in theory on that one. But I have found the reality to be that reps are not really that open to input... i.e. they do a lot more talking and a lot less listening. I know guys are saying that is changing now. Hopefully it is at other bases.
I don't often get to say this anymore... but great post!
I only take exception with the last paragraph. I agree with you in theory on that one. But I have found the reality to be that reps are not really that open to input... i.e. they do a lot more talking and a lot less listening. I know guys are saying that is changing now. Hopefully it is at other bases.
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