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forgot to bid 07-15-2011 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1023013)
As of 2009, Delta boards first on Comair iron regardless of DOH.

Comair boards last on Delta iron regardless of DOH.

ASA/SKW are the only DCI to have a priority carveout over Delta when they fly on their own iron.

That's crappy boomer, it should be the same policy. Albeit the comair policy.

Btw, have you been applying? Because you need to be.

Boomer 07-15-2011 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1023017)
Boomer, it isn't Comair's iron - it's Delta's. Comair is a wholly owned subsidiary. I think some of the problems with OH on DL equipment was brought about by the super senior Captain's at OH bragging about boarding ahead of Delta employees for all travel. That BTW wasn't second hand, I heard it.

We were told the priority change was because they couldn't bring Mesaba and Compass up to Comair's boarding priority, so Comair had to go down to theirs. A year later they're sold and 2/3 of Comair is gone, but we're still at the lower priority. I'm not holding my breath.

I flew with one of those super senior captains last week, and he's not bragging anymore. I helped him with some of the reserve rules.

Boomer 07-15-2011 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1023019)
Btw, have you been applying? Because you need to be.

7000+ TT, no TPIC, no ATP, busted FAA ride in 2001... not exactly first round draft pick material. :D

Besides, the old timers around here say things can only get better at Comair...

nerd2009 07-15-2011 05:51 AM

Another RJ bites the dust

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ort_in_boston/

Bucking Bar 07-15-2011 06:11 AM

Give it a break, Nerd. Isn't funny and figure several million less profit for you and I to share by the time all of this is covered. Thanks to Comair, Colgan and our own mishaps our underwriters are, how should I say, unenthusiastic about our risk management.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1022917)
I am in no way an almighty mainline pilot, and I don't appreciate you reading into it that way. Joe voraciously defends his chosen career position to stay at an outsourced feeder we've fed more and more flying over the years... which was a horrible decision. Even when I as in high school, I learned about airlines outsourcing and couldn't understand why that flying wasn't done by the mainline pilots.

Besides, it's really funny when he gets riled up.

80Kts, you are a mainline sky god!

One point we overlook with Joe is that his airline did not start out with outsourced flying. They started out performing their own flying and developed their own code. His airline and its code were bought by Delta, but his pilot group was not merged. He hates us for that and he sees a very clear line. There is no way to make it "right" or equitable, so in his opinion Delta deserves whatever ill befalls it.

What he says is true, that Delta pilots' Reps in 2000 decided they wanted no part of small jet flying and were willing to sacrifice unity to keep it off the property. The result, as we all know, were massive mainline furloughs and stagnation. The only thing that "saved" the mainline pilots' careers at Delta was correspondingly massive retirements.

Joe's back on this board because he senses another year 2000 turning point in our union's administration. Let us hope our Administration and Reps resist temptation.

forgot to bid 07-15-2011 06:19 AM

I just think going back to separate paint schemes would be wise.

I however propose a compromise.

I am willing to allow DCI to exist and have DAL colors if all of the RJs are parked and the only allowed airplane is the ATR 42-600 purchased new and payrates no lower than the lowest rate in section 3 of the DAL pwa.

http://planenews.com/wp-content/uplo...3/42681662.jpg

That's a compromise because I want to fly ATRs

DAL 88 Driver 07-15-2011 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1022993)
Couldn't agree with you more.

I also agree that they should have different paint schemes, as it is, the jetway canopy does a nice job of showing Delta but hiding "connection".

I strongly suspect this is intentional. It's also in violation of our contract. Yet another example of ALPA refusing to fight for enforcement of scope...

From the PWA, Section 1D7:
"Delta Connection flying aircraft will only bear the name “Delta” as part of a phrase referencing a Connection-type operation."

Boomer 07-15-2011 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1023036)
the only allowed airplane is the ATR 42-600 purchased new and payrates no lower than the lowest rate in section 3 of the DAL pwa.

If it pays more than $40,000 and I can get off reserve I'm all for it. If I can upgrade someday and get my 1000TPIC, all the better.

But can we paint the tails in hi-visibility orange?

Carl Spackler 07-15-2011 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1022903)
I want mainline to recapture scope as much as the next guy, it would help my career progression, however you are VERY VERY WRONG. It's more complex than the wages. Wages are a tiny part of the bottom line and we're all ego-driven to believe otherwise.

You're in complete denial. Insurance premiums are what they are. That's how liability is handled. If there was not the huge difference between RJ pilot wages and Major pilot wages, there would be no outsourcing to the regionals. There has been additional positives for management at the majors such as removing debt from the balance sheet, but the initial catalyst for this debacle is the much cheaper cost of pilot labor at the regionals.


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1022903)
Do you know why mainline's outsource? I'll let you in on a secret, it isn't the wages. It's the liability. Regionals indemnify their mainline partners of liability for their operations.

Totall wrong, read above. Indemnification occurs through insurance. Airlines have ALWAYS considered it just the cost of doing business. Majors outsource to save on labor costs. Period.


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1022903)
In this litigation centric society, if you could transfer the risk for half of your operations to someone else, still collecting the revenue for the operation, wouldn't you do it?

Notice in the Continental 3407 crash how quickly it became the Colgan 3407 crash. The families who are suing won't have a claim against the assets of Continental they have a claim against Colgan. Much smaller fish.

Again, you misunderstand the system. The families may have a claim against the respective airline, but the money to pay that claim comes from insurance. Those premiums are a cost of doing business at both the majors and the regionals. Transfer of risk is meaningless as to why outsourcing was desired by the majors in the first place. Without your continued willingness to work for far lower wages, there would not be the desire for continued outsourcing.


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1022903)
It's all about risk management, not wages.

No, it's about your justification for continuing to give management their main impetus to continue outsourcing. We caved on scope, and we never should have. You continue to give management their main tool to continue outsourcing, and you shouldn't. That's where we are.

Carl

Carl Spackler 07-15-2011 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1022904)
That's a good one for Carl.
You can't see anything inside 100 feet from the cockpit of that whale. :D And certainly not the wings.

Actually, the visibility is pretty good. From my seat, I can see the winglet all the way inboard to a portion of the #1 engine.

Carl


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