But the passengers will still have to deal with poor service that comes from employees who are paid shameful wages. That's why people hate RJ's. Even bigger RJ's.

Carl

LMAO!!

And when we throw kittens out on to the taxiway, they have a LONG way to fall!

Carl

Are you going to let me have a leg once in a while? :D

Carl

IMHO buying the 50 seat RJ's for their mission was just stupid.

The 70 seat ATR burns about 1200 PPH compared to around 3400PPH for a 50 seat CRJ200. The ATR carries more weight in a much more comfortable cabin in and out of much shorter fields while traveling at nearly the same speeds over a 400NM or less route.

Around Atlanta, the ground delays make a much greater difference in block than whether the 15 minutes at cruise is flown at 260KTS or 450KTS.

If we had ATR's on the property, I would bid them before the small jets. Props are cool :) In fact, I was half considering going to fly them in the Pacific islands as a furlough gig.

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Fine. I'm dead serious and all I keep getting are excuses. Keep up the momentum of doing nothing but complaining. It helps make my decision less difficult.

What Carl and the other DPA crowd are telling all of us who have not signed cards (and even those who have signed cards):

"The DPA way will be better than the ALPA way, but we won't show that to you through any type of action. Just believe us. As a supporter we're not going to get off our duffs and do ANYTHING substantial to convince the pilots that the DPA path is better for them except we promise we will just keep talking and talking to anyone that will listen that ALPA sucks and that it is broken and we don't want to fix what we can in the meantime until we have enough cards to hold a formal vote. In the meantime we won't try to fix anything at all to help Delta Pilots. WE won't do anything to show them that the DPA that we support to do the bidding of the entirety of Delta pilots is even slightly capable of organizing and implementing positive changes. We will continue to complain though, we promise that."


Carl, I applaud your view on recapturing and protecting scope, and restoration of this career. We are completely on the same page in those respects.

I would think that improving the lives and structure of the way the union represents the pilots of Delta Air Lines would be the goal, no matter what name is on the letterhead. I guess I was wrong.


Lastly, mark my words, IF by some chance DALPA becomes DPA, it will be due to an assessment for TWA failures from a decade ago, NOT because of failure at the LEC/MEC level.

DPA card in today, former fence-sitter. There's too much back door hooliganism going on at DALPA, and I dont trust them anymore.

Not to mention the shenanigans and tomfoolery...

"Ooh, ooh, ooh, I know, I know."
"Yes, Horshack."
"I know, Mr. Kahh-terr. And he's sitting right here."

Leaving an RJ last week, it seemed 3/4 of the pax all congregated just outside the AC door. Some lady yelled, "Why don't they just check the bags so we can pick them up downstairs." Then it quickly turned into a near riot with
"Just get me away from this da%^ barbie jet" with laughter all around followed by "So when does Southwest get here?" with more laughter.
Has anyone done a survey about feelings of RJs vs. Mainline jets? Take a few hundred flights on each with a one page scantron form to each pax and in turn give them free beer, nachos, twizlers, and pudding for their feedback.
Southwest certainly knows the answer and will try to capitalize. In any case, good luck.

Wildly swinging at shadows will not help your case shiznit. Nothing about this post has a single grain of truth. Nobody at the DPA will be baited by something so blatantly obvious as wasting our energies toward "fixing" ALPA by using ALPA's own processes. That will never happen. If it ever did, I would worry about how easily guys can be conned. You needn't worry though...nobody at DPA will take the bait.

It is indeed the goal. I can't figure out why you have such heartburn over that letterhead saying "DPA". Unless what you're REALLY saying is that you don't want to leave ALPA...for any reason.


Your prediction is already false. 25% of Delta pilots have already turned in their cards BEFORE the TWA verdict against ALPA came out. To claim that any more cards are only based on the TWA verdict is pure wild speculation.

Carl

What? You mean it's not because of the TWA verdict?

Shiznit will be so disappointed.

Carl