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Super Troopers...Shenanigans from Dirttron

Carl I tried to explain scope as it relates to liability but instead you wanted to accuse me of working for lower wages well let's address that. First of all, given the time I really CAN show you via spreadsheet of the low impact of differences of wages in the bottom line however, you don't seem like a guy that wants to be bothered by numbers. You want to tell me how much more you make than me. Well good for you. I've been furloughed twice and never went to any of the low tier airlines. I've done my part.

Just where do you propose someone start if not the regionals? It's not the guys going to the regionals now that caused the problem, everyone has to start somewhere. As long as they are going to the highest paying regional they're doing the best they can to hold the bar up. Mainline guys like YOU gave up scope, now you want to blame regional guys for not demanding higher wages. Regional pay has been getting better. Is it still unacceptable? Sure, but again they're doing their best.

Second, this career is now so screwed up that I'm not staying. I'm currently looking for which career I'm going to switch to. You know why? Because I'm not so ego-driven that I can't admit my mistake. This career is going to continue to be trashed by guys that are willing to throw anyone else under the bus to get ahead.

We're all greatly hindered in this career by our egos. The death of this career was the birth of generation ME and I don't mean that in the traditional sense of 20 somethings, I mean it in the sense that the majority of people now believe that ME is more important that WE. If you think you can change that, I think you might be delusional. And since this career will only get better when we're thinking of WE, we're all screwed.

So I want OUT.

Delta to Adjust Service to Smaller, Under....
 

Delta to Adjust Service to Smaller, Underperforming Markets - Yahoo! Finance
Markets:
Essential Air Service (EAS) Market Change Summary


Thief River Falls, MN TVF EAS subsidized 12.0% load factor
Greenville, MS GLH EAS subsidized 27.6% load factor
Devils Lake, ND DVL EAS subsidized 30.3% load factor
Watertown, SD ATY EAS subsidized 35.0% load factor
Muscle Shoals, MS MSL EAS subsidized 35.7% load factor
Fort Dodge, IA FOD EAS subsidized 39.1% load factor
Hibbing, MN HIB EAS subsidized 39.2% load factor
Alpena, MI APN EAS subsidized 39.5% load factor
Tupelo, MS TUP EAS subsidized 41.0% load factor
Jamestown, ND JMS EAS subsidized 42.1% load factor
Mason City, IA MCW EAS subsidized 45.9% load factor
Pierre, SD PIR Not EAS subsidized 47.4% load factor
Iron Mountain, MI IMT EAS Subsidized 48.7% load factor
Sioux City, IA SUX Not EAS subsidized 51.4% load factor
International Falls, MN INL EAS subsidized 52.5% load factor
Brainerd, MD BRD Not EAS subsidized 52.6% load factor
Hattiesburg, MS PIB EAS subsidized 53.7% load factor
Escanaba MI ESC EAS subsidized 55.2% load factor
Aberdeen, SD ABR Not EAS subsidized 55.6% load factor
Pellston MI PLN Not EAS subsidized 58.5% load factor
Bemidji, MN BJI Not EAS subsidized 59.3% load factor
Sault Ste Marie MI CIU EAS subsidized 60.0% load factor
Waterloo, IA ALO Not EAS subsidized 61.4% load factor
Butte, MT BTM Not EAS subsidized 65.3% load factor

Back on reserve for August :-( So, where do I find that Golden Day Bidding again?????? :confused:

Just want to make a comment here. Coming from the dark side fNWA, fDAL have never seen anything but your rotations and combination of rotations. In general, we had better work rules and worked less days than now because of the way the rotations are designed and the credit rules that we have. I personally for the last 3 years have worked an average of 34 more days a year for the same credit and less pay for the first 2 years. That boils down to differences in credit and work rules between the 2 contracts. Pay rates are not everything. That is why you heard many fNWA guys complain of a pay cut even with an increase in hourly rate. The whole package has to be looked at. To me, it has always been the motto of: "MAX PAY FOR MIN DAYS AWAY FROM HOME"!! When I am at work I want to fly. Not trying to complain, just stating the facts of my case. It is important what SW and other companies make and how many days a month they work. I do not want to be the highest paid pilots and have to work 25 out of 31 days in the month to make that claim. :)

Shamelessly pulled from another board. Here's another "fly their line, no more, no less. No hoping for GS, YS, WS, BS, etc.

"I grossed $165k last year. 7 year FO. I dont work the system. I just fly my line and average 13 days per month working. That doesn't include the 9.3% 401k match for another $15,300 per year and the profit sharing for the year of $8800. So my total compensation for a 7 year FO working no weekends and no holidays and only 13 days a month is $189,000."

So very, very, tragically true.

icrew, bids, initial bid

OBTW, I sent my reps an e-mail outlining my priorities for the Negotiating Committee Election. My council president e-mailed me back five minutes later saying (a) he was right there with me, and (b) that he wanted to hear if I had any specific comments or suggestions about or for candidates.

I'm glad I voted for him.

Actually, outsourcing lowers the cost of mainline labor. When you allow management to open up a secondary market for your own services at lower rates, it substantially lowers the value of your own work.

When only Delta pilots are allowed to fly Delta revenue passengers you have exclusivity of service, which always carries a premium pay rate.