All of them. By saying only one or the other, that is managing expectations. How about improvement in all areas? DALPA will have to show how each of those will improve, and the survey will show which needs more improvement than the others. I don't see giving in on any of those. Each needs some improvement.

Let's see. How about, I'M SAFE(R)?

I - International Flying: Why are our code share partners ordering widebody aircraft while we tout an order for 737-900's to replace some of our 757's and 767's? All this while the new United has 100 747-400's and 777's. Delta has 34.

M - Money: When a Southwest 737 taxi's by, can we honestly say we make enough money?

S - Scope: Do we have tight and enforced scope language? (See next two below)

A - Alaska Airlines: Why are they expanding 5-6% (while we are shrinking)?

F - Frontier Airlines: Why are they touting themselves as the fastest growing major airline (while we are shrinking)?

E (R) - Enriched Retirement: What can we do to get a better retirement plan? Because, like Scambo said, "Without a pension, an airline job is just a job. Pension being the differentiator for me between a career and a job."

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A GOOD contract. The joint contract, which we should have gained back a lot more, was rushed by management to appease Wall Street, and we gave up leverage there too. But, DALPA wanted to hold hands with management and get a hold of the "synergies" between our 2 companies, to build upon our NEXT contract. Well, now is the time. We didn't go for much last time, thinking we could go for more RESTORATION upcoming. I'm waiting....

How about everyone just stand?

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This makes more sense:

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One RTO and this is kicked to the curb:

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Very good New. I'd like to laugh :), but it kind of hurts. :(

Frontier, don't they fly our EMB-175s?

The only thing I can say about a pension, whats to stop it from being cancelled some other day? I'd rather have the money in my hands to screw up then to be eliminated. Cuts to military pensions are being discussed again and that's from an employer who can print money... and does.

Where do you find this stuff!?
And I thought I was on the computer a lot. But I'm on the coveted mid-September stay-cation (remember Jack Nicholson in The Shining? - that's me)...so I kinda have an excuse.
I wouldn't mind sitting next to Adidas girl on a long trans-con.

It's just a google image search, all of those came up under "standing airliner seats" and I just grab them. I remember that ULC carrier in the uk.

"Let the bodies hit the floor".

HaHa - Design Q uberfail.

Like you said, one good RTO, or landing max autobrakes on 33 in DCA. Screams and side-load whiplash are a bad critique for any flight.

Btw, the only time I ever puked my guts out in an airplane was sitting sideways like this - back of a Herk, 300' low-level, hot, ramp & door open, rancid box lunch. 12 hrs worth of food right into the C-cap. :(

I couldn't agree with ACL re: DPA more...I feel DPA only shoots us in our collective feet. We are essentially saying that we want someone else to handle our affairs. The same people that will handle our affairs come from our same group. These will probably eventually be the same people who would have been at DALPA because they are willing to get off their arses and get involved. I tend to think that similar logic is how "less than desirable govt's" get control of a country. Promise me the world and fix it for me. You're telling me what I want to hear so it must be right? PLEASE...there would be no conflict of interest if we didn't allow a conflict. Our scope votes allowed a conflict and our scope votes can terminate the conflict. There's no need to shoot ourselves in the foot so that we can waive a bloody stump and show "the man" we are in charge. I prefer to cruise this site for underboob but I get distracted on occasion.