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Anyone have any information on the Delta Private Jets scope grievance?

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1028748)

Anyone have any information on the Delta Private Jets scope grievance?

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I think DALPA is trying to remember how grievances are filed. It's something they don't do very often. :rolleyes:
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Never mind...........

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1028730)

In general, the guys I fly with are payrate focused. When I start to discuss scope with them, I discuss it in terms of "without strong scope, the highest payrates are meaningless if you move backward or if your job goes away."

Most guys understand the critical nature of scope...language and enforcement.

All of my captains are absolutely pi$$ed about the SWA welcome package and where they sit in comparison. I mean they are incensed.

They are tired of working so hard to try to make up for what they have lost. When I say tired, I mean sick and tired and exhausted.

I keep telling my Reps that as well. I keep harping on the fact that, in reality no one really is grasping how sick and tired our pilots are about the way things are going. There is a basic lack of trust of all parties involved. One misstep, and this powder keg will go up.

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1028748)

Anyone have any information on the Delta Private Jets scope grievance?

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 1028757)

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I think DALPA is trying to remember how grievances are filed. It's something they don't do very often. :rolleyes:
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It was filed, and until there is a agreement there will be no further information available. It is a negotiation in process, and DALPA better know that they have to get this one right. Like I previously stated, a misstep will blow the powder keg.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1028778)

I agree that our guys are sick and tired, of being sick and tired. I am saddened at the number of folks who rabidly pursue flying on days off at straight pay. I certainly understand the realities of living on post-bankruptcy pay, but after awhile the company will plan, man, and budget extra flying at straight pay.

It is important to be rested, refreshed, and renewed for this profession.....without these elements we will not live to enjoy retirement for very long. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

If we live one seat below what we can hold, it reduces the necessity to chase flying on days off......in the meantime, it will help for C2012, for the company to man properly and pay a penalty for relying on day off flying to operate the system.......I realize this is a very simplistic view to a complex issue. How about the old NW system of 150-200% for all flying over X credit hours, or day off flying.....at least something like that.

Regards to all,
BG

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1028739)

Reroute, I'd be surprised if the rumor is true, I'm more enraged by the 777 A's willingness to go along with it if asked or to think on our behalf - "you'd fly that in the left seat for less than you're making in the right seat here!" Um. With the PWA already settled, none of your business what I fly or where I chose to be based.

I have my complaints about ALPA and on scope but I've also seen enough to know ALPA won't give up a headcount.

People demand to have the right to trip park, or fly over their vacations or increase the min reserve from 70 to 78 or what have you, all of which would decrease the number of required pilots imho.

DALPA seems to put their foot down on that stuff and that should be applauded... and that better never change.

:D My other complaints however will continue until DALPA leaves ALPA, I can elect my MEC Chairman, we set out on a course for SWA pay and scope plus, and some other stuff.

I agree 100% but the problem is DPA is not ready to deliver. Timing is just too tight. I feel everyone at DPA is honest and committed to getting it done, but Management will only use DPA to divide our group. Think of the power management will have when we threaten to strike and they know we have no strike fund? These and a few more critical mass issues are important when less than a year from openers..

My DPA card is in because the threat to ALPA to act is the best we can do until 1/1/2013...

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Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1028616)

Question: Can a USAirways wholly-owned regional (psa/pdt) fly for DAL now given the Frontier/RAH precedent?

It would seem to be the exact same case as psa/pdt are under the umbrella of a holding corp "us airways group", and they are looking for work for some of their 70 seat RJs.

According to ALPA's lawyers they can fly for DAL as long as they are on a separate certificate from USAir. Ownership and control doesn't matter.
We're all one happy "SkyTeam".

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1028841)

According to ALPA's lawyers they can fly for DAL as long as they are on a separate certificate from USAir. Ownership and control doesn't matter.
We're all one happy "SkyTeam".

Uhhh Uhhhhh. That was cool (giggle giggle), you said,"ALPA's lawyers".

Seems like, Everything that benefits the company is good with Alpa's lawyers. I wonder which lawyers drafted the CBA?

TEN

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1028807)

I agree 100% but the problem is DPA is not ready to deliver. ........

Wrong, very wrong.

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1028807)

..... Timing is just too tight. .......

No it is not.

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1028807)

....... I feel everyone at DPA is honest and committed to getting it done, but Management will only use DPA to divide our group....

Yes they are and there is not a thing management can do about it.

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1028807)

......My DPA card is in .........

Thank you, have faith brother, we will get this done and it will be for the better for all DAL pilots.