Well Carl, let's talk about selective responses, jeez! If Manager had mentioned LEC 20 FPL resolutions in the post I would have discussed it.

Oddly, you chose not to mention him hopping on the "rumor express" either, WHICH IS WHAT THE REFERENCED POSTS WERE DISCUSSING!!!

Grow up.

I'll be more than happy to oblige your question: No. I do not know for fact that the LEC 20 FPL resolution has been acted upon. I'm not a member of LEC 20. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since you are a member of LEC 20 and you are asking me*, that you do not see the results of the LEC 20 FPL resolution status. Hey, I hope your LEC's resolution gets a big thumbs up and everyone gets to see the data. I have issues with guys who intentionally abuse the system. I don't have issues with guys who work 20-22 days a month and make a little bit more than "average pilot", (get rid of the seagulls though). I want the best people to WANT to do the job, and sometimes you gotta pay a little bit more to get the best.

What I do know is that there is a Fastread that just published the upcoming MEC meeting topics and the Compensation Review Committee is presenting its recommendations to the MEC. We'll know the results of that after the MEC meeting. Keep your powder dry until its time to use it Carl.

*someone you believe to be an ALPA cheerleader...(those that know me know that I have some real problems with ALPA in present form, hence my decision to get involved to try and affect changes).

It was in the newsletter after last meeting. The resolution/s were tabled or postponed can't remember the language pending some kind of beta test of a new fpl computer program. Its on the DTW webpage.

08-11-2011 | 12:20 PM

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From: Light Chop

So is this DPA vs DALPA stuff more or less raucous than the SLI conversations?

08-11-2011 | 01:23 PM

#73433

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

So is this DPA vs DALPA stuff more or less raucous than the SLI conversations?

To me, it's more.

At least with the SLI conversations there were two distinctive sides who wanted what were clearly opposite things. (More credit for seniority for their pilot group.)

With the DPA vs. DALPA stuff, while it seems that there are two different sides, both sides want the same thing. (The best representation for our pilot group.) Both sides have valid points, but which side is right is blurry and will never be answered -- you see, we don't have an arbitrator.

Because if this, the discussion seems to be based on who is saying something, instead of what is being said.

It reminds me of Washington D.C.

08-11-2011 | 01:47 PM

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Reserve Bid question:

If you have X days on Saturday and Sunday what is the earliest report you can have on Monday? Would a golden day on Sunday make a difference?

Thanks Scoop

08-11-2011 | 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

If you have X days on Saturday and Sunday what is the earliest report you can have on Monday? Would a golden day on Sunday make a difference?

Thanks Scoop

0500. If it were a vacation day the earliest would be 1200. A golden day is 0500.

08-11-2011 | 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rvr350

I want matching set walking down the terminal: Capt's says "Scope", and mine says "What he says, plus SWA pay"

We could just start wearing SWA lanyards! Wouldn't that prove the point?

08-11-2011 | 02:48 PM

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From: DAL 330

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonShot

0500. If it were a vacation day the earliest would be 1200. A golden day is 0500.

Thanks

- That is what I thought.

Scoop

08-11-2011 | 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Do you guys really think we will see the openers from either DALPA or the Company? I don't think so. I imagine we will hear about parts of them but I'll be REALLY surprised if we see the whole openers from either side. I guess my cynical side is showing thru.

Denny

I think you're 100% correct Denny. DALPA knows that an opener perceived as weak by us will only create more DPA cards, so their strategy will be to simply not release the opener. DALPA will simply say: "The opener reflects the will of the pilots as shown in the contract survey...which we can't show you...because...."

Carl

08-11-2011 | 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I bet we'll here "this is the TA we have reached with the company. Guys, I hate to tell you, but if you don't vote this in, it's not going to be good. It's not going to get better."

But then they will say, if you send us back in there to renegotiate, it's the same as a no confidence vote to our MEC and the negotiators. And as such, we'll have to have new elections for all those positions. And you know how long THAT could take. Think of the "time value of money, hold your nose, and vote YES. We'll really get 'em next time."

Carl

08-11-2011 | 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

Was going to come back here with something about not using the poor tactic of saying "Don't call my bluff." but instead think showing nice hineys is a better negotiating technique.