I bet we'll here "this is the TA we have reached with the company. Guys, I hate to tell you, but if you don't vote this in, it's not going to be good. It's not going to get better."

Was going to come back here with something about not using the poor tactic of saying "Don't call my bluff." but instead think showing nice hineys is a better negotiating technique.

08-10-2011 | 10:06 PM

#73412

FrankCobretti

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From: Top

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Every guy I've flown with that wear a ball cap are bald or almost there. No biggie.

I keep a visor in my bag for those morning and evenings when I'm flying into the sun. Squinting my way onto final is not my idea of a good time.

08-10-2011 | 10:08 PM

#73413

Bill Lumberg

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From: Space Shuttle PIC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

Gloopy,

I basically agree with everything you say but "demanding" is not really a strategy. I will play devils advocate here:

DALPA passionately argues 1-7 above.

The company says we can only give you 15% up front and 3% per year for 4 years.

DALPA says but we "demand" more. See 1-7 above.

The company repeats, we can only give you 15% up front and 3% per year
for 4 years.

RLA kicks in and the years roll by.

I repeat - I don't disagree with your reasoning - but we need more of a strategy than "demanding." I understand that you probably would not want to publicly lay out a proposed strategy on a public forum (Sun Tzu would not approve) but we all need to start about thinking about it.

Scoop

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15% up front the first year, and the 3 additional % per year for the next 4 years? I was told by an LEC member up North to expect ONLY 15% TOTAL. Some of them think that's all we can expect, or all THEY expect. Fill out that DPA card to help add a bit of pressure to our union, and make sure they negotiate for us, and not just manage our expectations.

08-10-2011 | 10:14 PM

#73414

80ktsClamp

Da Hudge

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankCobretti

I keep a visor in my bag for those morning and evenings when I'm flying into the sun. Squinting my way onto final is not my idea of a good time.

From your profile picture, you look like you've got a good set of hair on your head. I excuse the visor, but you have to consult hockeypilot on your level of professionalism.

08-11-2011 | 03:59 AM

#73415

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

I'm still willing to make a 12% cut in published hourly wages if we're paid by the duty hour.

Or a TFP system.

08-11-2011 | 04:28 AM

#73416

N9373M

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From: 127.0.0.1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse

Now I know why I prefer Great Circle Routes rather than Mercator projections.!

08-11-2011 | 04:47 AM

#73417

DAL 88 Driver

At home on the maddog!

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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I'm still willing to make a 12% cut in published hourly wages if we're paid by the duty hour.

Or a TFP system.

Exactly. I don't care how the sausage is made. But at the end of the year, my W-2 (as an MD-88/90 Captain... which is likely what I'll be by the time we have an agreement) better equal or exceed the W-2 of a SWA Captain ($230K). Any agreement that would result in less than that, will be a resounding NO vote from me.

08-11-2011 | 04:50 AM

#73418

Boomer

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From: blueJet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

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I was told by an LEC member up North to expect ONLY 15% TOTAL.

Watch out for the old "Zero now, plus Zero every year for 4 years, and 15% at the end of 4 years - and in exchange we won't give any more planes to RAH"

Delta offered this in 2005, and ALPA accepted.

(The Comair branch of ALPA, supported by the legal and financial resources of ALPA Nat'l)