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Old 08-22-2011 | 03:35 PM
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Old 08-22-2011 | 03:52 PM
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And from an operational standpoint, it will be a disaster. We'll be asking for volunteers on every flight over 5 hours just to carry the gas.
Should make non-revving more fun.
Old 08-22-2011 | 03:53 PM
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Not without a penalty. The range that Boeing lists on their website includes TWO AUX TANKS. So take your pick... gas, pax, bags. Can't have them all arrive at the same place and the same time on that pig. Will we opt for the AUX tanks? What will that do to the weight and balance, not to mention the cargo capacity? Somebody stop this before it's too late...
Here's the thing, if you wanted to buy 10-20 739s and dedicate them for ATL-Florida runs or ATL-LGA... probably won't pull that off, ATL-MSP, DTW-Florida, ATL-LAX, that kind of stuff. I get. But 100?

Frankly the 752 is a lot of airplane for what it is often sent to do like ATL-FLL. The MD88 might not be a hot and high airplane but it's good for what it does. High cycle medium range flying with a lot of folks, 149 for the 88 and 160 for the 90. Is the 739 a high cycle airplane? Because it sure isn't a high performance airplane.
Old 08-22-2011 | 03:59 PM
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If they all stayed east of the Mississippi like the 88 used to do, it would be a good aircraft for that mission when compared to the 757. You don't need a 3900 mile range when going ATL to CVG. And the commonality and parts availability makes it that much more efficient. But I wouldn't expect that we'd need more than about 50 or 60 to fill that niche.

Maybe that's the plan. With SWA coming to ATL, we'll need to put mainline metal everywhere to compete. They could run hourly -900's to LGA instead of 757's. MCO, JAX, BOS, PHL, DTW, FLL, MIA, TPA, all those places see a lot of 757's from ATL right now. And you know we'll be wingtip to wingtip with SWA in the near future to all those places. The Carribean, Cancun, Puerto Rico, all could be -900's. That makes a lot more sense than sending them out West where they will be pushing the limits of what they can effectively do. And yes, all 737's are high cycle airplanes, just like the DC 9/...

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Old 08-22-2011 | 04:05 PM
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Old 08-22-2011 | 04:05 PM
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Any rumblings of hiring theses days?
Old 08-22-2011 | 04:09 PM
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Hmmm, 20 ex Mexicana 717s may be in the mix.

A sweet deal on those and the 737-900 might explain the decision.

Boeing leasing owns those birds and has been trying to place them for quite some time...


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Old 08-22-2011 | 04:15 PM
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No kidding. Shut down the 737 line and figure out a way to open up the 757 and 767 lines with the automation and problem solved. Screw the 737 !

The 767 line is alive and well. They have over 100 orders still on the books for both passenger and freighters. Operating costs on the 757 are not even close to the 737. In the end the aircraft a pilot prefers means nothing if your competition can under price you.
The 737-900ER with the PIP that Delta is ordering is a true transcon aircraft with a full load in back.
It wont however come out of SNA with a full load and go to ATL like the 757 but we have very few flights like that.
Old 08-22-2011 | 04:19 PM
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...and it looks like that's about it... surprisingly.

Delta to cap its narrowbody order at 100 737-900ERs
By Jon Ostrower

Delta Air Lines will purchase 100 Boeing 737-900ER aircraft in a bid to replace its ageing 757 fleet, but the carrier has delayed a decision on 100 more smaller narrowbody aircraft, industry sources confirm.

The exact timing of the announcement by Delta is unclear, say those familiar with the deal, but a formal announcement could come as early as this week.

Delta's search for a 757 replacement excluded the re-engined single aisle offerings from both Airbus and Boeing, the sources noted.

Boeing declined to comment on customer negotiations and Delta was unavailable for comment.

If confirmed, the order would be the largest single order for the 737-900ER, which entered service with Indonesia's Lion Air in 2007.
Old 08-22-2011 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 767 line is alive and well. They have over 100 orders still on the books for both passenger and freighters.
Ain't that the truth, the 767 with the GEnx would fly circles around the 787 with the exception of being unable to do the ULR missions.

If you think up to 9000 lbs is significant between the A321 and the 737-900ER, try 40,000 between the bantam 767-300ER and the porky 787-8.

On typical DAL missions the 787 would burn the same as the existing ER, carry fewer people and have significantly higher capital expenses, that's why we're redoing the ER interiors with the 777/765 cabin.

A number of 737-900 to tie us over, plus 20 717s thrown in as a signing bonus and I can see this is a good deal for the company...


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