I remember specifically the MD-88 F/O 2nd year B-scale rate when I was hired in 1998. It was $65/hour. Adjusted for inflation from 1998 to 2011, that would be $88.23/hour. Current contract 2nd year MD-88 F/O rate? $78.14 (For those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, that's buying power worse than B-scale.)

 

somehow I'm not shocked.

 

TWA first started receiving the 757's in 1996.

 

Yes, it looks as if the TWA birds that came to DAL were made between 1996 and 2000.

 

I get your point about the pay rate, but there wasn't a B-scale here when you got hired in 1998. We eliminated it 2 contracts prior for pay beginning September 1, 1992. Only the September '85-'87 hires got to spend the full 5 years on B-scale. We did introduce a 737 C-scale to compete with the wage rates at SWA in POS96, but that was for a fleet of 54 aircraft based in MCO.

 

B Scale "isn't fair" because it treats similarly situated pilots differently. Pilots flying the same equipment over the same routes are paid differently for the same work.

The preferred method is to pay according to the productivity of the aircraft. Everyone gets paid the same, then as they have the seniority to bid a more productive jet, they can.

ALPA's fear was that bigger airplanes would be parked in favor of smaller aircraft. Hence, put the smaller jets off the property and try to restrict their number.

There is a difference between "we want no scope erosion" and "we WANT to fly anything over 76 seats." I'm not sure ALPA has turned the corner and supports the idea of these jets coming to mainline.

 

Are you sure about that? I'm almost positive I remember us getting rid of the B-scale after I got here (C2K maybe?). Maybe it wasn't 5 years, but unless I just misunderstood it or don't remember it correctly, I'm pretty sure 2nd year pay was B-scale and there was a huge jump in pay somewhere in the 3, 4, or 5 year time frame? I'm almost certain we called it B-scale. And, no, I'm not talking about Sunshine.

 

I understand what you're saying, or just to confirm - an MD88 would've been replaced by a 732 on a b-scale because the pilots are cheaper because they're on a b-scale because it moves flying down the chain instead of up so get rid of the b-scale.

But then the flying is shift to a D-scale Delta Con airline and restrict them to 255 jets or what have you. But in the end the 732 got parked (or DC9 today). So to keep the MD88 from being hurt by the 732, we got rid of the 732 and moved flying to new expensive 76 seaters. And pilots lost not only in numbers but they lost the quick upgrade airplane.

It just seems better to have a B-scale and the flying on property so that scope truly does trump pay and as Newk said, we can work on the pay later or maybe not, doesn't matter. Scope trumps pay.

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Now, why would ALPA not want E175s at mainline? Delta has 61* of those jets flying around, obviously Delta wants them.

Or the CRJ900? 101 of those out there.

Combined 162 of the 76 seat jets.

But is it DALPA that doesn't want them, ALPA National that doesn't want them or Delta pilots that don't want them?

What do you know Bar? Give it up... let's here it...

 

You may have called it that, but in September 92 FO payscales returned to the traditional (pre Contract 86, the B scale contract) percentages of Captain pay. Yes, I'm quite sure. Ask one of your senior friends that still has a copy of the August 1990 contract. You'll see it in Section 3.

 

Not true. The B scale went away while Leo the Ceo was lining his pockets.