Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1050047)

I want their hourly rate at a minimum however I want our retirement plan and work rules. That will put Delta costs well above SWA total block costs. I think Delta can afford it and my contract survey will reflect that.
Some will put they want total restoration and nothing less. Its a great goal but is it achievable in one contract. I don't think so. In fact I think that if we opened for that we assure ourselves of only 1 thing. We will work under the current contract for at least the next 5 years.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1050047)

Give me the names of the DALPA guys who have told you they are willing to take less then SWA. I have not meet one. Everytime I have asked on here I get BS responses. No one can even give dates let alone names.
I don't believe anyone on the DALPA forums has stated we will sacrifice the bottom 1500 guys. What I have seen posted is a simple fact. If we switched to the SWA contract today and staffed at the level of manning SWA uses we would have a large surplus of pilots.
I for one am not willing to give up any work rules that would decrease manning. We already gave up 3000 jobs in work rules. We don't need to give up any more. When you look at SWA compensation you do however have to look at the total package and the final pilot block hour costs.
The form 10's for 2010 had Delta at 690 an hour and SWA at 698 within a buck or two. There are two reasons the pilot cost per block hour are so close. SW is more efficient and Delta has 3 and 4 man operations that skew the numbers in favor of SWA. Still even accounting for the 3 and 4 man operations are total pilot costs per block hour are not as different as many suggest and post on here.
When you go into negotiations and ask for SWA you need to be very careful. There could be lost of negative consequences. I for one don't think SWA has much relevance to Delta.
I want their hourly rate at a minimum however I want our retirement plan and work rules. That will put Delta costs well above SWA total block costs. I think Delta can afford it and my contract survey will reflect that.
Some will put they want total restoration and nothing less. Its a great goal but is it achievable in one contract. I don't think so. In fact I think that if we opened for that we assure ourselves of only 1 thing. We will work under the current contract for at least the next 5 years. Personally I think that a two step process will put a lot more money in my pocket and produce a higher quality of life. I would rather be working on our second contract in 2016 then still negotiating this one.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1050047)

Give me the names of the DALPA guys who have told you they are willing to take less then SWA. I have not meet one. Everytime I have asked on here I get BS responses. No one can even give dates let alone names.
I don't believe anyone on the DALPA forums has stated we will sacrifice the bottom 1500 guys. What I have seen posted is a simple fact. If we switched to the SWA contract today and staffed at the level of manning SWA uses we would have a large surplus of pilots.
I for one am not willing to give up any work rules that would decrease manning. We already gave up 3000 jobs in work rules. We don't need to give up any more. When you look at SWA compensation you do however have to look at the total package and the final pilot block hour costs.
The form 10's for 2010 had Delta at 690 an hour and SWA at 698 within a buck or two. There are two reasons the pilot cost per block hour are so close. SW is more efficient and Delta has 3 and 4 man operations that skew the numbers in favor of SWA. Still even accounting for the 3 and 4 man operations are total pilot costs per block hour are not as different as many suggest and post on here.
When you go into negotiations and ask for SWA you need to be very careful. There could be lost of negative consequences. I for one don't think SWA has much relevance to Delta.
I want their hourly rate at a minimum however I want our retirement plan and work rules. That will put Delta costs well above SWA total block costs. I think Delta can afford it and my contract survey will reflect that.
Some will put they want total restoration and nothing less. Its a great goal but is it achievable in one contract. I don't think so. In fact I think that if we opened for that we assure ourselves of only 1 thing. We will work under the current contract for at least the next 5 years. Personally I think that a two step process will put a lot more money in my pocket and produce a higher quality of life. I would rather be working on our second contract in 2016 then still negotiating this one.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1050021)

Winner. Especially the reference to the recent CVG road show and the RH dog and pony act of spreading FUD. Fear a furlough of 1500 pilots if you ask for SWA pay/W2.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1050025)

Buzz,

As was mentioned before, if you are more than 5 hours negative bank, this is probably the section that applies to you. It's under "Full Service Bank" in Section 12:

In each bid period:
21 a. a pilot may deposit into his bank account up to 20 hours of credit that is accumulated
22 in excess of 80 hours in such bid period.
23 b. the first five hours of credit a pilot accumulates in excess of 80 hours will be
24 automatically applied against a negative bank balance. Such repayment does not

25 constitute a deposit

As far as turning around and withdrawing it, I don't think you will be able to do it. You can take a look at your time card, take a look at where it says "Bank Opt Limit 1." I believe this is what you can use the bank to fill up to every month. This month mine will only let me fill up to 77 hours based on an ALV of 72 hours.

Denny

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1050034)

Is the purpose of lowering expectations so as to ensure The outcome looks better than it was?

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1050061)

Good for you, sailingfun, re: your personal minimums. But I'm a little confused about something. To bring our MD-88/90 pilots (who are the ones doing the most comparable type of flying to SWA pilots) up to SWA pilot pay would require approximately a 50% increase.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1050081)

cough cough, up North, cough cough

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1050099)

What does THAT mean?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1050106)

He means a MSP rep. (Not what he is implying, he is just stating a North Base, but what the reality is)