Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1049898)

Influence-don't care
Results-care

If I held one in each hand right now, one is a lot lighter than the other.

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1049939)

Back on that Jury Duty thing... I read the PWA and the responses above. My jury duty notice says Oct 4th week and to expect a summons with exact day soon, could be 1 day if not used, or average 3-5 days if used... or more!

I'm supposed to tell the Base CP immed upon receipt of a summons... but I don't know how long it will be. Do I have any responsibility to try to bid the day of the summons off? I really can't afford to, as I need my "off day power" to attend a class reunion. What happens if I tell the CP about this notice BEFORE the Oct bid? Will they expect me to bid days off for JD and thus give up my class reunion hopes?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1049898)

Influence-don't care
Results-care

If I held one in each hand right now, one is a lot lighter than the other.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1049894)

Au contraire. Just wait until 11,000 pilots see the opener that DALPA pinches off on the table. It will put DPA over the top if they aren't already there prior to that epic moment.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1049805)

I don't know this for a fact, but I hope the reason the DPA guys are continuing is because of people like me urging them NOT to suspend activities under any circumstances. My opinion is that the DPA's existence is the only reason DALPA hasn't already caved in scope via LOA prior to Section 6.



ALPA has no political relationships, with one exception: Politicians take ALPA's (our) money and allow ALPA a seat at the table. That's the relationship. That's it. The sooner everyone gets past the ALPA advertising slogans, the sooner you'll be able to understand what's going on around you.



I'm surprised you still say things like this. Do you not pay attention to very recent history? The problem at American is not the APA as a union. The problem at American is the widely varied opinion of the pilots. Some of them are "constructive engagement" types. Others are not and want to get complete restoration plus cost of living back all in the first year. ALPA thought they could come in and show APA how it's done. But what happened? The first time ALPA was publicly insulted for being secretive and having ulterior motives, ALPA very publicly withdrew their services and walked away from the pilots of American.

The question you should be asking yourself is: What will ALPA do differently this time now that they've apparently rejoined APA? Because so far, ALPA has only served to delay APA's contract hopes for the entire time ALPA has been there.

Carl

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1049963)

Carl, APA has made more progress since last Dec then the 4 years plus prior to that. They have been holding far more meeting with the company ect.. Why is that? Do you know how ALPA came into the process? I know that you do. You just wont post what happened.
Short Version. Last fall the NMB told APA that their expectations and methods were unacceptable to the NMB. The NMB kicked them out of mediation however did not release them. This effectively gave management a blank check to keep APA on the current contract forever. The NMB also told APA to get help. Since bringing in some assistance from ALPA they have had more meetings and more progress then the 4 years before. They also have some credibility with the NMB when before they had none.
There is another union that felt that a working relationship with the NMB and influence in DC is unimportant. Its called USAPA. Ask them how the grievance process has been working for them lately?

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1049862)

What is it about the value of having influence in DC that you don't understand?

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1049921)

yep. Spending money on influence does not = influence. Seems like we spend a lot of money on influence. Apparently, other interests spend more and get more "influence" for their money.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1049963)

Carl, APA has made more progress since last Dec then the 4 years plus prior to that. They have been holding far more meeting with the company ect.. Why is that? Do you know how ALPA came into the process? I know that you do. You just wont post what happened.
Short Version. Last fall the NMB told APA that their expectations and methods were unacceptable to the NMB. The NMB kicked them out of mediation however did not release them. This effectively gave management a blank check to keep APA on the current contract forever. The NMB also told APA to get help. Since bringing in some assistance from ALPA they have had more meetings and more progress then the 4 years before. They also have some credibility with the NMB when before they had none.
There is another union that felt that a working relationship with the NMB and influence in DC is unimportant. Its called USAPA. Ask them how the grievance process has been working for them lately?