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TOGA LK 05-03-2011 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 988809)
Not sure if ya'll have heard about the helicopters that were used in the insert/extraction of the SEALs in the operation to kill Osama...

They wrecked one of them, and instead of leaving the carcass in place like usual, they blew it up. Why? This is a picture of a portion of the wreckage left after the blast:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...84_470x423.jpg

I certainly don't recognize that as a part of any helo that I know of... May very well be unacknowledged technology. Pretty cool!

They will blow the helicopter in place to preserve the secrets, FMS loads, crypto gear, and a multitude of other classified equipment on board. If they can't get a C4 satchel in there they'll use fast movers.

I saw the Comanche in person, this photo makes me very skeptical as the two are nothing alike. No rivet holes, the blades seem to be very narrow, potentially five of them. No IR position lights anywhere. Doesn't add up.

Columbia 05-03-2011 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 988886)
It looks like they went to great efforts to hide the IR signature of the TR gearbox.

I really doubt the SEALs or pilots in the "fog of war" really had the time or concern to "hide the IR signature of the TR gearbox" in the 40 minutes they were in the compound.
More like, get Geronimo, the intel, and get the F out before the Pakistanis roll in hot.

1234 05-03-2011 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 988750)
No, because a widebody guy can bid non domestic trips that exceed 30 in 7. Even widebody/intl pilots can only exceed alv window during pbs by bidding a large spillover trip into a following mont with lots of vacation. A narrowbody pilot can't do that unless you have probably 3 weeks of vacation and a trip with all but one day as spill.

The scenario you describe would be a ws pickup after the month starts and I believe subject to alv+15 with vacation pay/no credit and would depend on open time being available on the right days and right amount of credit. Intl just needs one trip with a big spill value during pbs. Its theoretically possiblee to get over 130 hrs using spill and 3 weeks of vacation on intl working 10 days, maybe less but it would be hard to do.

The two factors are pbs cannot?/does not look ahead into the following month at vacation credit for alv purposes and domestic only pilots don't have huge spill rotations due to 30 in 7:

For a pilot to get 130 hours with three weeks of vacation, they would have to work 10 days (assuming a 31 day month) and that carry over trip must be worth a minimum of 6.7 average daily credit since our vacation is only worth a measly 3 hrs per day (another thing that needs to be fixed, no reason it shouldn't be worth a min day of 5:15). I can't believe that there are that many trips which meet this criteria.

Also, regarding this carryover issue and it relating to wide-bodies:
1. What is the problem?
2. How many pilots does this really impact?
3. What is the solution?

forgot to bid 05-03-2011 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 988889)
I really doubt the SEALs or pilots in the "fog of war" really had the time or concern to "hide the IR signature of the TR gearbox" in the 40 minutes they were in the compound.
More like, get Geronimo, the intel, and get the F out before the Pakistanis roll in hot.

Weren't the Pakistanis across the street? :D Maybe they were like "I'm not going over there..."

I'm not a twitter guy but did you see about the Pakisanti who was twittering this:


"Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event),"


"Go away helicopter - before I take out my giant swatter :-/,"

"A huge window shaking bang here... I hope its not the start of something nasty."

"Since Taliban [probably] don't have helicopters, and since they're saying it was not 'ours', so must be a complicated situation#abbottabad." [LEFT]
@raihak Funny, moving to Abbottabad was part of the 'being safe' strategy



Repost "I think the helicopter crash in Abbottabad, Pakistan and the President Obama breaking news address are connected."

"and now I feel I must apologize to the pilot about the swatter tweets :-/"

Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.: ISI has confirmed it << Uh oh, there goes the neighborhood :-/


"Uh oh, now I'm the guy who liveblogged the Osama raid without knowing it."

"The gunfight lasted perhaps 4-5 minutes, I heard. That was around 10 hours ago. There are no other gunfights that I know of."

"Reuters got to me before I could go to sleep."



"Bin Laden is dead. I didn't kill him. Please let me sleep now."




Damn keyboard warriors beating the networks to the punch.


1234 05-03-2011 08:00 PM

On a totally different topic, but the 10 year mark is nearing for furloughed pilots to return to mother DAL. Any guess as to how many of the 243 that are still on bypass will actually return. This could have a big impact as to when we may actually hire off the street again.

Thoughts?

80ktsClamp 05-03-2011 08:01 PM

http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordp...1854790135.jpg

satchip 05-04-2011 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 988889)
I really doubt the SEALs or pilots in the "fog of war" really had the time or concern to "hide the IR signature of the TR gearbox" in the 40 minutes they were in the compound.
More like, get Geronimo, the intel, and get the F out before the Pakistanis roll in hot.

Well the pilots of the 160th SOAR who's helicopters they were are very concerned with the IR signature of the tail rotor section. The photo is of the tail rotor of a MH-60 Pave Hawk helicopter.

http://www.americanspecialops.com/im...mh-60-soar.jpg

sailingfun 05-04-2011 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 988823)
Uh.. you sure bout that? I don't they can fly you into your vacation under any circumstances...

The only circumstance where you can be flown into vacation is a reroute and in that case there has to be no option to return you to your base.

sailingfun 05-04-2011 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 988892)
For a pilot to get 130 hours with three weeks of vacation, they would have to work 10 days (assuming a 31 day month) and that carry over trip must be worth a minimum of 6.7 average daily credit since our vacation is only worth a measly 3 hrs per day (another thing that needs to be fixed, no reason it shouldn't be worth a min day of 5:15). I can't believe that there are that many trips which meet this criteria.

Also, regarding this carryover issue and it relating to wide-bodies:
1. What is the problem?
2. How many pilots does this really impact?
3. What is the solution?

You are correct that there are very few trips that allow this. Its really not much of a issue. It is however possible to build a big month with a long carry over trip because all credit is paid at the end of the trip. If you bid a 13 day trip worth 80 hours and it flies 9 days in the current month and then works days 1-3 in the follow on month its quite possible to get 35 to 50 hours pay for the 3 days in that month depending on how much credit is in the trip.

NWARet 05-04-2011 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 988809)
Not sure if ya'll have heard about the helicopters that were used in the insert/extraction of the SEALs in the operation to kill Osama...

They wrecked one of them, and instead of leaving the carcass in place like usual, they blew it up. Why? This is a picture of a portion of the wreckage left after the blast:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...84_470x423.jpg

I certainly don't recognize that as a part of any helo that I know of... May very well be unacknowledged technology. Pretty cool!

Did any one notice the hook and cable attached to the "wreckage".


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