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chuck416 04-16-2011 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 981429)
There's a very small window of opportunity for DALPA in my opinion. This is THE time for DALPA to show its independence for ALPA. If I were MEC chair, I would push hard for the following strategy to be supported and adopted by the LEC's:

1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."

If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.

Carl



Carl,
Do you think this has any chance at the LEC level, to be pushed up to the MEC? Not knowing anything about union politics, it sounds like it'd never fly. OTH, what you suggested sounds plausible. The whole RAH issue stinks. You know, if it walks like a duck.....
Chuck

scambo1 04-16-2011 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 981465)
Carl,
Do you think this has any chance at the LEC level, to be pushed up to the MEC? Not knowing anything about union politics, it sounds like it'd never fly. OTH, what you suggested sounds plausible. The whole RAH issue stinks. You know, if it walks like a duck.....
Chuck


Chuck;

Do you find it disheartening that you have that opinion of your bargaining agent?

forgot to bid 04-16-2011 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Amish Pilot (Post 981400)
Just checked my mail box today and I had a small package from Ma Delta. Thinking it is something important I opened it right away. I was wrong, it is junk mail from this A-hole:

Jeff Robertson, Vice President, Loyalty Program

Maybe I am wrong, but this ****ed me off.:mad: I do not expect to get junk mail in a mailer from my employer. Am I missing something, this was sent with Delta letterhead. Is there a place to opt out of this BS. I do not want to receive credit card offers or be asked to sign up others.

Big Fail!!!!!!:(

Hey on that note, if any of you guys would like to sign up for the American Express Delta Skymiles card, just let me know. I can help you. I can get you a 9.99% introductory APR for hte first 12 months on balance transfers requested within 30 days of account opening and 14.50%. That's way above my current rate, but hey, it's great stuff.

So next time you're walking through the ATL crew room just look over at the V-files to your left and you'll see me. I'll be the guy who goes "hey, sir, are you flying a Delta jet today? Come on over here and let me talk to you for a moment."


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 981391)
I called my rep. Got some info, not necessarily what I had hoped to hear, and he's pretty hacked off about it too....no wait, extremely hacked off about it!

That blows.

shiznit 04-16-2011 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 981429)
There's a very small window of opportunity for DALPA in my opinion. This is THE time for DALPA to show its independence for ALPA. If I were MEC chair, I would push hard for the following strategy to be supported and adopted by the LEC's:

1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."

If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.

Carl

Let's hope the MEC decides to go in this direction.

(well, maybe not an all or nothing #3, but the intent of the rest of this for sure)

I'm not sure we'll win considering much of past practice, but it would be a great lead in to the start of Section 6 to rally the troops and get the masses behind the leadership.

All I ask is that if they do and the grievance fails, that the DPA crowd give credit for DALPA standing up for us, and not pulling a "you stink if you don't fight it, and you still stink if you fight and lose because you didn't win". With the chances of an outcome that doesn't benefit us, DALPA is in a no-win situation no matter how hard they work.

chuck416 04-16-2011 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 981469)
Chuck;

Do you find it disheartening that you have that opinion of your bargaining agent?


Hi Scambo,
Not trying to deflect cynicism back to you. But, honestly, yes. If we don't get timely, accurate, concise distribution of information on such a divisive issue as this RAH code share issue, well, what's a line-pilot bloke to think. (That's funny. Never thought of myself as a "bloke") I hope our Association addresses this issue with complete transparency, soon. We have a regularly scheduled meeting next week in MEM. I hope to attend, and, as always, encourage my peers participation as well.
Regards,
Chuck

chuck416 04-16-2011 06:18 PM

On yet another completely off topic issue.....it seems that yet ANOTHER controller was asleep at the scope.

Another air traffic controller suspended for sleeping - CNN.com

Hope the hyper-link works...

WidgetDriver 04-16-2011 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 981391)
I called my rep. Got some info, not necessarily what I had hoped to hear, and he's pretty hacked off about it too....no wait, extremely hacked off about it!

I talked to someone who has some inside knowledge of ALPA about this issue. He said the problem with pursuing this issue is that DALPA argued the opposite position when ASA and CMR filed for a single list based on this very same issue. He went on to say that if DALPA does a 180 and starts to make the same argument that ASA and CMR made, it COULD open up the opportunity for CMR to come back and file for a single list again.

I don't know about you, but I am definately not interested in doing something that allows CMR to force a single list with us.

This person went on to say that if we filed this grievance, management could go back and pull out the DALPA arguments made against saying that ASA, CMR, and DAL were a single carrier. They would just throw those arguments we made right back at us.

Not sure what to make of it all. Interested to see what Alfa, Pineapple, Slowplay, and ACL think of all this.

shiznit 04-16-2011 06:28 PM


Detroit players return after strike

By Petroc Trelawny
Presenter, BBC Radio 3

The Detroit Symphony Orchestra (DSO) has returned to work after a six-month strike over money, but despite taking a pay cut the musicians - like their city - face an uncertain future.

The 80-odd people gathered in front of me did not look particularly militant. The women wore black silk dresses, the men sober suits, their ties providing the only splash of individual colour. They carried their tools, not the spanners of the motor production line, but valuable violins, black lacquered clarinets, highly-polished horns. “The strike has had one positive effect - the orchestra's profile in Detroit is higher than it has been in years ”

Their workplace was not a factory but Orchestra Hall, an ornate, near century-old auditorium with marble pillars, a gilt proscenium arch, and friezes showing classical scenes. The musicians of the DSO returned to work after a strike that has led to the cancellation of every concert since last September.

The DSO has a formidable reputation, but, like its home city, its financial problems are enormous. It owes the banks $54m (£34m) in real estate debts. Its endowment fund has been hit by the stock market collapse. Worth $60m (£37m) three years ago, it now stands at little more than a third of that sum.

Management proposed a radical recovery strategy that included players taking a pay cut. The dispute became increasingly bitter, and, banned from Orchestra Hall, the musicians started staging free concerts, and using the internet to make their case.

Last year the starting salary for a musician was $104,000, (£61,000). This year players will earn 23% less.

Neither management nor musicians are claiming victory in this dispute. One veteran cellist, an orchestra member for more than half a century, told me he thought it would be a long time before the wounds finally healed. But the strike has had one positive effect - the orchestra's profile in Detroit is higher than it has been in years. Tickets were free for the much-delayed season opening last weekend. The musicians came on stage to a three-minute standing ovation and hundreds of supporters were turned away.

Sense of identity

Detroit needs "good news" stories like the DSO, said Joel Landy, a maverick property developer who lives a few blocks from Orchestra Hall. He is one of the people who have started the redevelopment of Detroit's mid-town district, an area that still has its fair share of abandoned buildings and boarded-up shops. "This area was full of prostitutes and junkies when we arrived," he said, "gradually it has begun to change."
A veteran of 1960s peace and civil rights protests, he is not your standard advocate of urban gentrification. “This area was full of prostitutes and junkies when we arrived ”
Joel Landy, property developer but he is slowly improving his area, by converting a ruined hotel into smart new flats, and opening a restaurant underneath.

He estimated he lost up to 10% of business each week when the orchestra was out. He said he hated classical music himself, but argued that the orchestra gives Detroit, and particularly his area of it, a real sense of identity. Mr Landy recalled days when Woodward Avenue, the main route to downtown, was so quiet people would use it for games of basketball. Now it is getting busier again, artisan bakeries and coffee shops have begun to open, there is even a rumour that Whole Foods Market, the smartest of American convenience stores, is soon to open a branch here.

Uncertain future

As the sunshine of Spring returns to Detroit's wide boulevards, there is a sense of hope. Patrons at Orchestra Hall speak, a little hesitantly it must be said, of better times ahead, of a corner being turned. The population is now what it was back in 1910, four years before Henry Ford offered workers a job here for $5 a day. But in mid-town, population levels are actually rising. Young, educated Americans are slowly seeing the opportunity of low-cost living the city offers.

"I'm glad to be back in Detroit," said one trendy 20-something at Orchestra Hall. Wearing a second-hand pinstripe suit with ironic bow tie, he has recently returned from New York, to give "my home a city another chance". At the concert I attended, the standing ovation subsided, music director Leonard Slatkin walked on stage, and picked up a microphone. His speech was to the point. "Welcome home," he said.

The future of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra is still far from secure. There is no guarantee supporters will be prepared to pick up the tab for the millions it needs to survive. Detroit, too, is far from being out of the woods - this week mayor Dave Bing warned that unless radical steps were taken, the city's budget deficit would rise from $155m (£95m) to $1.2bn (£0.7bn) in four years. At Orchestra Hall, the mood was one of celebration that a great source of civic pride was finally back in business. Maestro Slatkin picked up his baton and launched the orchestra in the overture to Candide, Leonard Bernstein's opera about optimism. Never has optimism been needed more.
We are woefully underpaid.

scambo1 04-16-2011 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by WidgetDriver (Post 981509)
I talked to someone who has some inside knowledge of ALPA about this issue. He said the problem with pursuing this issue is that DALPA argued the opposite position when ASA and CMR filed for a single list based on this very same issue. He went on to say that if DALPA does a 180 and starts to make the same argument that ASA and CMR made, it COULD open up the opportunity for CMR to come back and file for a single list again.

I don't know about you, but I am definately not interested in doing something that allows CMR to force a single list with us.

This person went on to say that if we filed this grievance, management could go back and pull out the DALPA arguments made against saying that ASA, CMR, and DAL were a single carrier. They would just throw those arguments we made right back at us.

Not sure what to make of it all. Interested to see what Alfa, Pineapple, Slowplay, and ACL think of all this.


At face value, this might seem to have a shred of truth. Thats where the plausibility of this arguement ends. We (DAL and CMR) are not a single seniority list and RAH is. It is Delta's scope we are talking about, not CMRs or RAHs.

WidgetDriver 04-16-2011 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 981521)
At face value, this might seem to have a shred of truth. Thats where the plausibility of this arguement ends. We (DAL and CMR) are not a single seniority list and RAH is. It is Delta's scope we are talking about, not CMRs or RAHs.

We are not a single seniority list because WE argued that Delta, ASA, and CMR were not a single airline or a single transportation system. ASA and CMR argued that we were. That is where our argument with RAH could get us in trouble according to this individual.

I don't have access to it, but apparantly DALPA made some arguments in front of ALPA national years ago stating that ASA, CMR, and DAL were not a single carrier, or single airline. It seems if we make the argument that CHQ and Shuttle are the same airline as Frontier, CMR could then come back and try it again.

I don't know, just what I was told.


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