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TANSTAAFL 04-17-2011 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 981391)
Not sure we have a strong case given past precedent, but maybe there is something there, and I hope the MEC decides to pursue the case with maximum effort(along with the NWA trip rig grievance!).

We shall see.

I'd say if past DAL MEC precedent on fighting Scope erosion is an indicator of future performance I would agree we haven't much hope to fight the RAH case. Of course National/Moak have been silent on the issue that has much wider industry implications. The case needs to be made and fought that RAH is in fact a single carrier for operational certificate purposes. Not fighting this is being tacitly complicit in establishing the future precedent that this type of shell organization is a valid model for undercutting mainline flying. :eek:

forgot to bid 04-17-2011 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 981649)
Not fighting this is being tacitly complicit in establishing the future precedent that this type of shell organization is a valid model for undercutting mainline flying. :eek:

I agree.

Skywest could buy Alaska, combine the seniority lists of not only Skywest and Alaska but with ASA, Expressjet and Horizon. As well as substantially integrate the operation and senior management and labor relations, pilot recruiting and then hold out to the public as a single entity "Skywest Holdings."

And then continue to fly on a guaranteed profit capacity purchase agreement with Delta to help provide the extra income to buffer against the losses suffered in their branded operation.

Then TransStates can purchase USAir east and play the same game with TransStates, Compass and UsAir.

And all of that would be okay if we don't remove RAH from DCI for being a STS.

forgot to bid 04-17-2011 08:18 AM

BTW, I appreciate being able to see the reserve availability list, but they need to publish the short call order. There is one.

Check Essential 04-17-2011 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 981667)
Skywest could buy Alaska, combine the seniority lists of not only Skywest and Alaska but with ASA, Expressjet and Horizon. As well as substantially integrate the operation and senior management and labor relations, pilot recruiting and then hold out to the public as a single entity "Skywest Holdings."

And then continue to fly on a guaranteed profit capacity purchase agreement with Delta to help provide the extra income to buffer against the losses suffered in their branded operation.

Then TransStates can purchase USAir east and play the same game with TransStates, Compass and UsAir.

And all of that would be okay if we don't remove RAH from DCI for being a STS.

And then "Skywest Holdings/Alaska" could start codesharing with "SkyTeam" and pick up passengers from Air France/KLM and China Southern, etc. etc. Go right around those high cost DAL pilots.

You're right FTB. DALPA needs to stop this or it will only get worse.
I hope our reps will stand up on Tuesday.
The "establishment" is going to be all over them to let RAH slide and not start any fights.

forgot to bid 04-17-2011 08:35 AM

On another note, time for Ray LaHood to fall on the sword over the slot sw... I mean sleeping controllers.

forgot to bid 04-17-2011 08:48 AM

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tsquare 04-17-2011 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 981675)
On another note, time for Ray LaHood to fall on the sword over the slot sw... I mean sleeping controllers.

Yeah, good luck with that one... He's a total douchebag that is waaaaay too drunk on the power he now holds. I can only hope that when the next president comes to power he tells him to get the hell out on day one.

Karnak 04-17-2011 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 980024)
Nowhere in 18.B.2 does it say anything other than the most general process outline for a grievance.

It doesn't say anything about what the association will or will not do about grievances they don't agree with. It all comes down to what the contract administrator wants to do.

You're wrong. You told him to contact his base reps ["Contact your base rep to get it started."]

Section 18.B states a pilot must file with his base chief pilot. Then it describes the process. The difference between what you told him to do and the proper process is important. I'm glad my post made you read your contract.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 980024)
And in some case, what he wants (or is instructed) to do is nothing. Heck, the fNWA guys can't even get their rig grievance heard, and that was from BEFORE the merger of the MEC. These guys have been BEGGING for this grievance to be heard, but now we're in for what, ANOTHER special MEC meeting to "handle it". What are we up to...three? Or was it four special MEC meetings on this? Any one of which probably costs more than the arbitration hearing.

If 18.B.2 is so clear, why hasn't this been heard?

The MEC held a special meeting last year to hear it. What have your reps been telling you? They know why it hasn't been settled. BTW, it is not an independently filed grievance. It's an MEC grievance. That means the MEC controls it. Not the MEC Chairman. Not the Contract Administration Chairman. The MEC. Our reps.

Did your reps tell you why the other two fNWA MEC grievances were withdrawn after all three were debated? Ask them.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 980024)
It has be that DALPA must be a willing participant in the grievance process, and if they are not, things can get drug out a LONG time.

You're wrong again. Independent grievances are processed just as quickly. The independent grievance in the process right now is being delayed by the grievants themselves. Call your reps, and ask them about it.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 980024)
Scambo's point is clear. If the contract language is plainly apparent, why should he HAVE to independently grieve it. Should blatant violations be jumped on already? Isn't that what we pay DALPA for?

He shouldn't. They aren't. It is.

Luckily, we don't pay you to give us the proper method to file grievances, or to wonder publicly on our behalf about why the last remaining NWA MEC grievance hasn't been settled. That prevents a lot of waste.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 980024)
My point was also clear, so that big hat must be squeezing your brain. If Scambo doesn't like the way things are being handled, I pointed out the way for him to correct it, and it isn't even all that much effort.

Y'know, my hat has been a little tight lately! I should grieve it! The company makes me wear a hat, and ALPA refuses to grieve it.

And yes, I read your advice on how to "correct it":

Throw the bums out, even if they are "good guys". If they don't EXPLICITLY say they would endorse a change of leadership, along with a house cleaning of the committee structure, then bu-bye. Don't say "but my rep is a good guy otherwise"....buell ****e, that doesn't do ANYTHING to solve this problem, which is the biggest one we have.


Have you brought a recall resolution to get rid of your reps? Why not? Is it because they're "good guys"? They made the decision to withdraw two of your NWA MEC grievances...so why didn't you follow your own advice and recall them? Have they EXPLICITY [sic] said they'd endorse a change of leadership right now? Then why aren't you doing what you ask others to do?

BoyFromSouth 04-17-2011 10:45 AM

Not to change the subject but I have a reserve question.

I was awarded a reserve line in May, is there a way I can drop the whole month of reserve and just white slip on trips. I noticed that they have more than enough coverage all month long in my category.

Thanks,
BFS

Justdoinmyjob 04-17-2011 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth (Post 981710)
Not to change the subject but I have a reserve question.

I was awarded a reserve line in May, is there a way I can drop the whole month of reserve and just white slip on trips. I noticed that they have more than enough coverage all month long in my category.

Thanks,
BFS

Not 100% sure, but I think that only applies when you finish IOE in a month that still has days available. If you've already completed IOE in a prior month, then you are SOL.


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