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All in favor of banning Tsquare from airlinepilotforums.com until he starts posting pictures say: Go Tebow.

:D

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1049681)

I agree with your post except what I've bolded above. If DPA can't get the numbers in time, we will have no choice but to continue to pressure our association to behave like a union. And we'll do just that. But the one point of pressure we have and will always have is this: Our No Vote!

DALPA will put up a massive show of pressure and fear, telling us that:

"This is the best offer the company will give us..." and
"If you vote NO on this, we'll have start over from the beginning..." and
"If you vote NO on this, we'll have to re-elect all new officers..." and
"If you vote NO on this, the next offer will undoubtedly be worse..." and
"Those aren't really Scope sales, you're reading that wrong..."

My hope is that all of us will be able to read these types of pressure techniques and simply say NO.

Carl

Carl, When DPA first started they wisely recognized what goes into a section six negotiation and set up a time line. In their words they had to have the required number of cards in by 31 Dec 10 in order to have the vote and be on the property by summer 11. What happened to make them decide they had made such a huge error in their time line and now almost 1 year after their own deadline don't see a problem?
Second question. Do you see DPA being able to establish a working relationship and the political ties that will be required to get past the NMB in this contract in the amount of time remaining? What will they do different from American to avoid the 5 year debacle that has been their contract negotiations.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1049691)

All in favor of banning Tsquare from airlinepilotforums.com until he starts posting pictures say: Go Tebow.

:D

No. No. I opened one of t's links on from of my wife. Needless to say, I won't be bidding the 7er. :D

Anyone else read this?

Air_Line_Pilot_September_2011

Pilot Commentary The Entitlement Mentality by Capt Joe Doniach (United)

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1049580)

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/SbM...316_145632.jpg

"Hurry back Mr. American with the orange shirt with the white T!"

I think....I need.....to go to.....Serbia..... :D

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1049730)

Sorry. Didn't mean to restart a DPA debate in ths thread.

I agree with sailingfun though. Sorry Carl. There needs to be a deadline.
I think DPA has honorable intent and many admirable goals but they have about another 3 or 4 months to get their cards in and schedule a vote. If they have fallen short by the time the calendar turns to 2012 then in the interest of unity they need to suspend their efforts and let DALPA concentrate on the contract. Justified or not, the DALPA troops are way too distracted by DPA. Carl - face it, your presence makes those guys hyper-ventilate. That's a good thing right now. But not next year.

Its just my opinion but I think if DPA continues their activities into 2012 then they will be harming the pilot group (and any chance they might have of getting enough cards any time in the future).

Urging a "NO" vote on any TA they see as inadequate is perfectly legitimate. But continuing to advocate the decertification of ALPA is not. Not while the contract is open in Section 6.

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Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1049421)

I like greeting the passengers and thanking them for flying with us, but something tells me I'll likely decide it's in everyone's better interests if I stay away from pax and do my job in the cockpit if what some of these LEC guys are pushing comes our way (do they wave a MIB pen across their eyes after they take office?). And unfortunately I'm stubborn and find it hard to let go of things like that, so it won't be temporary until it's made right.

What LEC guys? What have they "pushed" on you?

If it's in my LEC I'll help lead the recall drive. Nobody on the MEC knows beyond vague generalities what this pilot group wants, if they are speaking without knowing what we want, I don't want them representing me and the pilots in my LEC.

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Originally Posted by RunFast (Post 1049744)

Air_Line_Pilot_September_2011

Pilot Commentary The Entitlement Mentality by Capt Joe Doniach (United)

Nice. I can't believe the union would put this in print. Except for the "don't blame ALPA, blame society".

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1049770)

I agree and if there is proof in my LEC too, I will advocate the same.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1049760)

Its just my opinion but I think if DPA continues their activities into 2012 then they will be harming the pilot group (and any chance they might have of getting enough cards any time in the future).

I disagree on this. I do think that DPA will force DALPA to grow a pair for the upcoming contract. IF DALPA continues in their ways of the past then imo the pilots voices will be heard and DPA will carry the torch. The choice is DALPA's.