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I think the company knew it was going to order more 737's for a while. This may be why they have a guide for pilots going from the 320 to the 737.

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1042580)

The 320 is definitely a more comfortable plane, agree with you guys on that one. The 320 is really like having a first class seat in coach, much noticeable difference. Boeing hasn't seemed focused on making a little extra leg room or improving the cabin comfort in their designs, and I think that will ultimately hurt us on long-haul flights.

I'm just wondering if the 739 is that much more of a mission capable aircraft from an operational standpoint.
Is it more efficient? Can it carry a heavier load further than the 320?

I plead ignorance on this one, I spend most of my time just trying to figure out what the he11 the vnav is doing on the 88, so there isn't much time for anything else.

The A320 was not in contention for this buy. It does not hold enough people. The A321 was and is in contention. AvWeek reports that Airbus has a substantial order shortfall from 2014 to 2017 on the A320 series as buyers defer orders waiting for the NEO. They stated Airbus was willing to offer large discounts for orders in that time frame.
The 737-900ER however offers more range, payload and a lower fuel burn. The A321 can't make some of the flight segments Delta wanted with all the seats full. I guess we will know for sure what they have purchased in less then 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1042432)

Ain't that the truth, the 767 with the GEnx would fly circles around the 787 with the exception of being unable to do the ULR missions.

If you think up to 9000 lbs is significant between the A321 and the 737-900ER, try 40,000 between the bantam 737-300ER and the porky 787-8.

On typical DAL missions the 787 would burn the same as the existing ER, carry fewer people and have significantly higher capital expenses, that's why we're redoing the ER interiors with the 777/765 cabin.

A number of 737-900 to tie us over, plus 20 717s thrown in as a signing bonus and I can see this is a good deal for the company...

Cheers
George

my bad........

Some good news about the 737-9ER though.. since it is a .78 airplane, we won't have to worry about transcon turns under the new rest rules..:D

I added in Airbuses to the mix. The data is from last night, same caveats as before.

Aircraft Avg Flt Time
A319 2:24
B737-700 2:48
A320 3:00
A321 3:10
B737-800 3:17
B737-900 3:45
B757-200 4:16
B757-300 4:28
B767-300 6:42

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/Average2.png

Batten down the hatches

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Originally Posted by Roadie85 (Post 1042579)

The A320 is was more comfortable than the B737 both up front and in back. NWA flew the Bos-Sea route for years and we were never weight restricted nor made a fuel stop. I remember going west with full fuel tanks and a full load of pax.

In a 320 or 319? If you guys could make it out of BOS, I wonder why Jetblue had to make wintertime fuel stops out of JFK?:confused: I'd much rather sit in the back (or front) of an Airbus on a long flight, but I'd rather my nonstop flight be nonstop as well.

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Originally Posted by Guntrain11 (Post 1042599)

Do the 739s make it from EWR to the west coast in wintertime winds?

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1042600)

Do the 739s make it from EWR to the west coast in wintertime winds?

According to Boeing, the 900ER will. How about the MD88/90?:D

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1042573)

I gotta agree with you on this Sailing. I have long thought that the 737-800 was our best 100 seat replacement. In effect for the same price as a 130 seat jet, you have the flexibility and efficiency to go from 100-152 seats with decent range, mx commonality, etc.

Then we merged with NW and the airbus showed up. The same arguement for the -800 goes for the airbus except it is also more comfortable in the back.

None of this takes a critical look at life cycle costs and I dont recall the efficiency comparison between the 73-8 and the 320/321.

If DAL can get a sweet deal on 717's (Airtran got AA's 717s for .60 cents on the dollar for a stock swap - so our deal would have to be way better today) and sort out the engine costs, I cant think of any reason to turn them away.

When is Boeing going to re-open the 757 line again?

Never. Boeing destroyed all of the production tooling when they shut the line down. One of the many galactically stupid decisions made over the last ten years by them. We are left with only the 757s currently flying and no more. I talked to a couple of Boeing engineers in SEA over July 4 this year and they said they finally had a senior manager admit shutting the 757 line down was a mistake. I agree as well.