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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1042432)
Ain't that the truth, the 767 with the GEnx would fly circles around the 787 with the exception of being unable to do the ULR missions.
If you think up to 9000 lbs is significant between the A321 and the 737-900ER, try 40,000 between the bantam 737-300ER and the porky 787-8. On typical DAL missions the 787 would burn the same as the existing ER, carry fewer people and have significantly higher capital expenses, that's why we're redoing the ER interiors with the 777/765 cabin. A number of 737-900 to tie us over, plus 20 717s thrown in as a signing bonus and I can see this is a good deal for the company... Cheers George Embraer was really optimistic they'd be a part of this deal and so was Bombardier I'm sure. But in reality I think we played them to get Boeing to deal on the 717s. |
Does anyone else think that this could possibly just be a ploy to lock up future 737 orders from other competing carriers?
The slot positions could hold up growth plans for a competitor and possibly force them into a position of taking on a new aircraft type. The positions may also be used to barter off 717s from other carriers should the need/want arise. Just spitballing here, not sure if I made enough vague references to LUV in this post. |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1042428)
...and it looks like that's about it... surprisingly.
Delta to cap its narrowbody order at 100 737-900ERs By Jon Ostrower Delta Air Lines will purchase 100 Boeing 737-900ER aircraft in a bid to replace its ageing 757 fleet, but the carrier has delayed a decision on 100 more smaller narrowbody aircraft, industry sources confirm. The exact timing of the announcement by Delta is unclear, say those familiar with the deal, but a formal announcement could come as early as this week. Delta's search for a 757 replacement excluded the re-engined single aisle offerings from both Airbus and Boeing, the sources noted. Boeing declined to comment on customer negotiations and Delta was unavailable for comment. If confirmed, the order would be the largest single order for the 737-900ER, which entered service with Indonesia's Lion Air in 2007. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1042446)
Something tells me the rest of the 200 order is tied up on the 717 such that we may have secured a price on them but it's tentative on whether SWA gives up FL's 717s. I doubt they want a small fleet and I doubt they want to give SWA pricing power.
Embraer was really optimistic they'd be a part of this deal and so was Bombardier I'm sure. But in reality I think we played them to get Boeing to deal on the 717s. I think that is the simple answer, it does not however answer the (true) replacement for the 757. How much more life do the 757s have in pax service before they have to be replaced? |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1042428)
...and it looks like that's about it... surprisingly.
Delta to cap its narrowbody order at 100 737-900ERs By Jon Ostrower Delta Air Lines will purchase 100 Boeing 737-900ER aircraft in a bid to replace its ageing 757 fleet, but the carrier has delayed a decision on 100 more smaller narrowbody aircraft, industry sources confirm. The exact timing of the announcement by Delta is unclear, say those familiar with the deal, but a formal announcement could come as early as this week. Delta's search for a 757 replacement excluded the re-engined single aisle offerings from both Airbus and Boeing, the sources noted. Boeing declined to comment on customer negotiations and Delta was unavailable for comment. If confirmed, the order would be the largest single order for the 737-900ER, which entered service with Indonesia's Lion Air in 2007. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 1042462)
About postponing the 100 seat order. No surprise here - Delta's never wanted a 100 seat plane. I suspect it was a spoiler to get others to play ball.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1042426)
The 767 line is alive and well. They have over 100 orders still on the books for both passenger and freighters. Operating costs on the 757 are not even close to the 737. In the end the aircraft a pilot prefers means nothing if your competition can under price you.
The 737-900ER with the PIP that Delta is ordering is a true transcon aircraft with a full load in back. It wont however come out of SNA with a full load and go to ATL like the 757 but we have very few flights like that. I think the 739 is a niche airplane like the 753. To order 100 creates a ugh. It's like somebody falling in love and ignoring all the red flags and their friends pointing out the red flags. Are the bean counters really taking into account what this airplane can do or are they just trusting Boeing? imho this particular management team we have now knows what they're doing. They make good deals. They seem in the airline business for the long haul. If they order the 739s it's because they're a good deal. And they'd have to be. At 170 passengers it falls short of the 180 passenger jet it's replacing and costs a whole heck of a lot more than the relatively new 160 passenger MD-90s were buying in mass. Here's what one CAL pilot said fwiw:
Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
(Post 1042439)
I like the 900.............very stable platform and nice flying machine. It is VERY underpowered though and most transcons are lucky to see FL360/FL350 during the last few hundred miles. We also use FULL LENGTH on many transcons for takeoff (as well as BLEEDS OFF), and begin rotation with only a 1000' of runway remaining. The puckerfactor goes up on warm days............but overall, I still like flying it. Feels identical to a B-727, and those were a joy to fly. Have fun on them! (Also NEVER land below vref....not even a knot..............the nose will pop up and you'll get a tailstrike before you even had any inkling something was about to happen. I know from experience). The ground spoilers deploy approximately 30 degrees higher on the 900 than the 800's after touchdown............and this causes the nose to pitch up. BE CAREFUL!!!!
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1042461)
I think that is the simple answer, it does not however answer the (true) replacement for the 757.
How much more life do the 757s have in pax service before they have to be replaced? The average age of the domestic fleet seems to be around 18 almost 19 years. If this 739 order as rumored will be complete by 2018, you're looking at that average age for the 757s moving up by 6-7 years so you're going to be pushing 30. http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp6-12.jpg What I like assurance on is that this is a 757 replacement. What if it becomes a dual 757 and MD88 replacement aircraft? With a relatively small fleet of A319s and 737-700s, that'd leave a great big gap between DCI's largest and the 739. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 1042464)
There isnt a 100 seat order, it's for an additional 100 unannounced aircraft orders. The initial bid was for 200+ planes, the 737-900's in theory account for half the order leaving the other halfs announcement delayed.
UPDATE 12:46 PM ET: CONFIRMED - Delta will order 100 737-900ER aircraft, the largest single order for the type. Further, industry sources confirm that a selection of a smaller narrowbody that pitted the CSeries against the Embraer E-195 has been delayed, as the airline does not see the same level of urgency to replace its 757s starting in 2013. The airline's aircraft evaluations excluded consideration of the re-engined narrowbodies from Airbus and Boeing. from: FlightBlogger - Aviation News, Commentary and Analysis: Search Results But it doesn't make sense, as I don't see the CSeries or the E-195 as B757 replacements. They are DC9/MD88 replacements. |
Do you think this was leaked by DAL to trump the SWA announcement of starting ATL flying in February?
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