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Pineapple Guy 08-04-2011 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1034047)
Now if only our union leadership was ready to fight :(... but I digress.

I'll be 52 next month. Scope is a non-starter for me. I don't care what kind of pay increase they dangle in front of us. If it includes any kind of concession on scope, it's a BIG NO!

Me too, DAL88. Me too.

And I also obviously have more confidence in our union leadership than you, as I think they nearly universally agree as well. I have ZERO concerns that we will see a scope sale on any upcoming contract or LOA. ZERO.

DAL4EVER 08-04-2011 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1033978)
Could oil actually close under $90 a barrel? Whoa!

It will and most likely go lower. 500 point drop on the DOW with 200 points lost the last 30 minutes of trading on huge volume is very ominous for any global expansion to push oil. I went cash seven weeks ago and thought I was Johnny Come Lately on it. Glad in retrospect I did.

scambo1 08-04-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1034049)
Me too, DAL88. Me too.

And I also obviously have more confidence in our union leadership than you, as I think they nearly universally agree as well. I have ZERO concerns that we will see a scope sale on any upcoming contract or LOA. ZERO.


I hope you are right PG. Its been a hard learned lesson.

gloopy 08-04-2011 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by STINKY (Post 1033912)
Scope should start by making everyone a delta pilot. That means Comair and Delta Elite or anything owned by Delta that does brand flying. No need to have barriers between your own company.

Followed by recapturing flying aka west coast by immediate termination of Alaska code share and code shares previously mentioned in the thread that Delta pilots should be doing.

Like the concept, but should first commit to it and then figure it out after we pass V1, or will such a concept come with clear prenuptuals like a 100% staple which without would be a nonstarter?

There is no way we will ever agree to anything like that without first framing the discussion around the necessary preconditions.

gloopy 08-04-2011 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by hitimefurl (Post 1033925)
I'd say UPS does win but FedEX has an unlimited amount of feeder aircraft allowed. The Mountain Air Cargo types have no cap unless I'm reading challenged today. LUV has no regional planes but they are selling flights to Mexico by using Volaris via some kind of "connecting" arrangement. I don't know the details but I assume SWAPA signed off on this?

I doubt Volaris is doing half of SWA's block hours. As for FedEx, what size feeder aircraft can they operate? We can give the company unlimited piper cub (65 hp or less) and they can have at their outsource fantasy and get a million of them if they want.

FedElta 08-04-2011 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1034060)
I doubt Volaris is doing half of SWA's block hours. As for FedEx, what size feeder aircraft can they operate? We can give the company unlimited piper cub (65 hp or less) and they can have at their outsource fantasy and get a million of them if they want.

Gloopy, 60k mtogw or less, currently Caravans & ATR 42/72

PastV1 08-04-2011 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1034004)
Hey Past,

This effectively limits scope a/c to Caravan, and F27 turboprops.....except for peak relief which is contractual and generates penalty dollars paid by the company.....is this still correct ?

Regards,
BG

FedElta,

I believe all the F27's are gone. ATR42's and possibly 72's have replaced them. The scope is probably similar to what it was when you were here other than the MTGW was increased from 50K to 60K.

Past...

PastV1 08-04-2011 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1034018)
I remember seeing the Kalitta whales doing the santa claus extra lift over the holidays... I was always interested to know what sort of contractual obligations there were to the FDX pilots with those wet leases.

FDX can lease some number of a/c for some specific amount of time each yr. 3 months total comes to mind. After that they pay a penalty to us.

DAL 88 Driver 08-04-2011 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1034049)
Me too, DAL88. Me too.

And I also obviously have more confidence in our union leadership than you, as I think they nearly universally agree as well. I have ZERO concerns that we will see a scope sale on any upcoming contract or LOA. ZERO.

On scope, I agree with you. I could be surprised... but I really don't think we will see a scope sale. Now pay increases... that's a whole different animal. I have seen ZERO fight in our union leadership when it comes to advocating restorative pay increases. ZERO.

PastV1 08-04-2011 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1034007)
I think Mountain Air Cargo flies ATR's in FedEx paint.

FedEx owns all the airframes.


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