How much and how does that compare to what we pay Cohen, Weiss and Simon LLP?

It's not a loaded question btw, just curious.

Are we to infer that a ambiguous definition of amount is tantamount in your argument to a small insignificant fraction of the overall population? < using dictionary lingo.

Thus the amount of people who want an SLI change is insignificant and no longer needs to be discussed here?

I concur.

A whole lot of people are noticing SWA pay and scope which is soon to be AirTran's new pay and scope. AirTran as the airline many laughed at here in ATL.

True. But this is not a small number.

http://www.delta-pilots.org/storage/...=1304632779668

Don't forget, DALPA has plenty of time to address what is seemingly the biggest 3 issues: transparency, scope and pay.

Yikes. The nature of any organizations PR is such not everything is true, but all of it untrue?

But they're an amorphous blob? Thus, free to say whatever they want because whatever they want is what they want, which makes it inherently true to say you want it. Whether you can achieve it is one thing, but you're not lying to say you want it.

Here's the thing about ALPA vs DPA that most of us struggle with outside of being the reason for rickets:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1311594703

Now how are we supposed to get SWA scope and pay working through an organization whose members and hopeful new members are the ones being whipsawed against us and would be negatively effected by any scope gains by us?


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BTW, f DALPA ever wants to talk about divesting itself out of ALPA in some way, I'd love it!

And being able to elect our MEC Chairman by a pilot vote would be icing on the cake!

Any interest in that because man, I think the whole DPA thing would fade away with both of those.

Can someone please PM me the name of our ALPA jumpseat guy, and email address? Thanks. Was denied jumpseat by gate (not crew) for international flight on continental, but our emails from ALPA said that we are allowed that now. Everyone from the Captain to gate agents to operations to dispatch got involved and the final word was no, I can't occupy the jumpseat! Does anyone have any info on why this would be? A deadheading pilot for continental was very nice and took the JS so I could get on, but if it weren't for him I would have been stranded in a foreign country. Ugh.

I didn't think anyone from another carrier could jumpseat international except for on their own airline. As an example a Continental pilot couldn't JS on us between Paris and JFK

Correct. Cabin-seat only.

That hierarchy picture is worth at least a thousand words. Meanwhile....on a board not so far away a rebuttal to the same arguments being levied against DPA here....

"I can say as a former TWA Pilot, after I heard 3 1/2 hours of closing arguments from ALPA's attorney (in the recent lawsuit TWA vs ALPA) on how they provided support for the former TWA Pilots, DPA is worth the effort. The jury, Judge and everyone in the courtroom struggled to stay awake as ALPA's Attorney hopelessly rambled on trying to put together some series of events that showed their support for TWA Pilots, and as you may know, the jury was unconvinced ( as was I and anybody with half a brain would be sitting in that courtroom) and brought back a unanimous decision in favor of the TWA Pilots. I hope Delta Pilots are successful in getting out from under ALPA. ALPA does what's best for ALPA, if your needs are deemed valid by ALPA then you'll get great support.........if not....be careful and get all correspondence in writing."

- 71Driver- F.I.

No, it changed recently from what I remember. Ah, found it.

from the April 15, 2011 ALPA FastREAD.

ALPA Secures Flight Deck Jumpseat Enhancements ALPA is pleased to announce that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has adopted two significant policy changes regarding the cockpit jumpseat that the Association has advocated to the agency for several years. The TSA has now lifted restrictions that have kept pilots from occupying the jumpseat due to security-related decisions made immediately after the attacks of 9/11. Since those attacks, numerous new layers of security have made the restrictions unnecessary.
Under the new policy, airline pilots who are aboard the aircraft in a capacity other than as an operating crewmember will be able to ride in the cockpit of U.S. aircraft operators on domestic or international flights with the concurrence of the pilot-in-command after their identity and employment status have been verified. The jumpseat will be made available at captain’s discretion, regardless of the aircraft’s passenger load or the flight’s point of origin.
“Since the attacks of 9/11, flight deck access restrictions have limited the ability of airline pilots traveling as passengers to assist the operating crew,” said ALPA president Capt. Lee Moak. “ALPA-recommended procedures have now been adopted by the TSA to provide cockpit access to airline pilots traveling as passengers. Ultimately, the more frequent presence of additional crewmembers on the flight deck will increase the overall safety and security of flight.”
In addition to numerous meetings with the TSA on the subject, a November 2009 ALPA white paper entitled “The Air Line Pilots Association, International Position on TSA-Issued Flight Deck Jumpseat Access Regulations and Protocols” was used to advance the Association’s views.
If you have any questions about this announcement, please contact the Engineering & Air Safety Department at 800-424-2470.

So now it's a matter of getting Airlines to adopt it....

Yes.... Our FOM still says that OAL JS riders must still sit in back if if seat is available. Also our FOM says only an DAL pilot or DAL FA can sit in a cabin JS but the FA red red book and gate computer say compass fa can sit in cabin JS.

They have been doing that a lot lately. Their lack of anger seems to indicate to me that they knew what they were up to. A scheduler can AKC for you, and because of that, they could have sworn they called you.

I always check my sked right when I start SC, and then one minute later so I can get a screen shot with the time stamp on it. I also take a screen shot of the coverage list.