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I don't claim to have the answers, but maybe you could threaten to sunset/not renew the CPA's with the companies that refuse to sign on.

They still get to make money on the aircraft and maintaining of the aircraft and get to shed those pesky employees

The regional unions might be tougher but maybe something along to same lines, though that might give grounds for a DFR suit.

I don't know, just throwing it out there on a day it is too hot to go outside.

You can keep writing it it & I'll keep reminding you, ALPA merger policy at the time was status quo. By paycheck, or equipment, it would have been a staple. The Comair MEC was procedurally correct in following policy which stipulated a commitment to a merger BEFORE SLI openers.

The history does show Comair never even made an SLI opener, nor did ASA.

You say you heard crew room hearsay. I heard it straight from my MEC Chairman. Further there is a paper record of everything that happened before, during and after the 2000 BOD meeting which fired the starter's pistol on the race to the bottom. Refer to one scrap of paper, any, even the back of a napkin, which documents a DOH demand. IT DOES NOT EXIST!

The only purpose of this DOH lie was to scare Delta pilots and justify the separation which enabled scope sales. The "Comair demanded DOH" myth is tired and debunked. You harm your credibility by repeating it.

But, you do raise a valid point if you were to re-state that the outcome today is much less certain than it was a decade ago. During the intervening years, our status quo positions have moved. The general move away from status quo benchmarks also makes the outcome less certain. After all, who had ever heard of pull & plug?

You present management with the endless complaints against Delta Air Lines due to the complete lack of a competent, seamless product. This is the result of outsourcing.

Second, present them with the cost savings associated with less hiring & training since you bring the airplanes, pilots, & operating procedures right to Delta.

Third, regional pilots own their flying just as much as we do so it can be taken anytime & there is nothing they can do about it. Delta simply offers them a job and they come on over.

The Council 44 Chairman got booted for exactly this maneuver a few years ago. I heard he was suing Delta. I wonder if he ever got his money?

All true. But not the whole story.
The Comair guys were procedurally correct alright. They demanded the union declare a PID "Policy Initiation Date" which would have allowed them to take the Delta seniority list to arbitration. The Delta MEC rightfully told them right where to stick that idea. There was no way we were going to let that happen.
I understand your point Bar but don't blame that fiasco on the Delta pilots. The CMR/ASA guys way overplayed their hand. You can't deny that some of their lifers saw a chance to leapfrog and said so openly. They all might be on our seniority list right now if they had been reasonable.

ALPA is riddled with faults but the DPA is "beyond reproach" for some individuals on here. I totally agree with your above post. Some of the more ardant DPA supporters I have come across also complain how badly they took it in the shorts in regards to the SLI.

AMR stock did nearly nothing after the "biggest airplane order in history."

AMR Corporation: NYSE:AMR quotes & news - Google Finance

Wonder what effect that has on our Board of Directors?

All true, but there was a sequential procedure to follow and the inexperienced MEC's followed it just like a checklist.

I have the unpublished "supposal" archived and it was a ASA and Comair merger by DOH with the result stapled below the last Delta pilot. Bidding protections from a flush might have been objectionable, but remember, this was an early edit of a proposal. (Interesting historical fact, I changed the names and re-posted the proposal as a format for a Delta / NWA merger and pilots from both sides liked the idea, if anyone remembers that thread)

There might have been other reasons the merger was a no go, but a Comair DOH demand was not one of them. Mostly the Delta pilots saw no benefit to capturing RJ flying ... and that probably has not changed.

Hope I don't "overplay my hand" when the Captain calls for the Before Takeoff Check and I comply. (just kidding)

Probably not much. AC orders are about keeping the product and the reliability there, not about getting a bump in stock prices. 2017 is a long way off, and investors know that in our industry that is at least once cycle away. :rolleyes: