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And are RAH E170's/Skywest CRJ700/900's not included since they are non ALPA?
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1025705)
This would be awesome, but how would it work for say a guy at ASA who holds the -700 but stays on the -200 for QOL? Do they get an option to stay? With ASA/ExpressJet merging they have a ton of 50 seaters we won't want.
And what happens if the person was turned down by DAL in an interview? I saw this at CAL-Coex flow through, they offered some sort of way to interview and go early out of seniority order and there were people literally turned down by CAL who had to stay at XJT until they flowed up. So in essence, CAL hired pilots they said they didn't want to hire. The beauty of this if it was real, you're not closing Surely jet or other similiar DCIs. You're letting them exist you're just taking stuff and bringing people that want to come because they could say no. But no fences.
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1025706)
And are RAH E170's/Skywest CRJ700/900's not included since they are non ALPA?
What would happen to the 255 limit? Could we take it down to 0? ---- I'm sure though in the end that we're just all speeding down the highway with smoke trailing from our Labrador blunt: http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1311185012 |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1025687)
Carl,
According to DPA's lawyer, negotiating seniority is like negotiating a crew meal, no difference. If you don't believe me, go search youtube for a video series titled something like "Can't take the heat, USAPA in the desert." The whole thing is like two hours on 8 or 9 different videos so I am not going to spend the time to find the right link. So DPA's lawyer has said that it is quite easy to renegotiate a seniority list. It might be difficult for him to announce that for another group that it's impossible to renegotiate a seniority list, that presents a severe conflict of interest there. You are flat out wrong about the state of US Air's seniority list. There was a transition agreement that stated the process that the two groups would use to create an integrated list. That process was completed and the list was accepted by the company. There is a single seniority list at US Air, it just hasn't been used for anything because they are still in separate ops. Changing that list is no different that changing our list, and DPA's attorney says that seniority is just like a crew meal, so it's easy to change. I don't know what lounge you hang out in in Detroit, but the one I hang out in has many people talking about how DPA is going to change the seniority list. DPA's attorney says that date of hire is the gold standard in integrating seniority lists, so that might be their target. The problem with DPA now is that it is all things to all people. Some vote for DPA because they want a new seniority list. I have heard green book guys say that DPA is their ticket to seek revenge on the red book guys. Junior guys think DPA will eliminate RJ's and create hundreds of new mainline jet orders overnight. Middle seniority guys think that DPA will magically deliver a 50% pay raise. Some Delta dead zoners think DPA will deliver a new pension wrapped in a pretty bow. I don't know if the delay in delivering their constitution falls at least in part to somehow reconciling these diverse views of DPA. One thing is certain, DPA is a chameleon now. Whenever their stated goals or milestones get in the way of reality, they merely change their website and voila, they are still all things to all people. If only it were that easy in the real world. |
Begotten of John 29,
Yea verily I say unto you, the more blind men there be, the no more may they see. ... and there's nothing to see here. I've never quite understood the extra-MEC politics that compels stories of unicorns and unity tossed over to the regional carriers who lack any say in the matter. Why bother? I'd hope the answer isn't to filter sweet smelling hope back through to the junior Delta pilots who are the most immediately exposed to stupid scope policies. We have a basic, fundamental scope problem on the bottom end, it is:
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Originally Posted by chuck416
(Post 1025461)
And we ALL should NOT forget that we are giving the company back 39% of our pay each and every month.....for the last five years now. How does that add up in your check-book balance???
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 1025637)
I totally agree but I believe if the retiree medical issue had been fixed you would have seen many more taking the package. Also, remember not all north guys have BIG DB retirements even with 25+ YOS
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1025707)
And what happens if the person was turned down by DAL in an interview?
Northeast, Ransom, Western, C&S, ASA (some transferred), Comair (some of them too), Pan Am, Northwest, Pacific Northern Airlines, Mesaba, Compass and Huff Deland Dusters. For all others, just use this blank: _____________ and another sheet of paper if you run out of room. Unity, more important than bigotry. (not busting your chops, I like your posts. You just tossed me a softball and I couldn't resist taking a swing) |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1025705)
This would be awesome, but how would it work for say a guy at ASA who holds the -700 but stays on the -200 for QOL? Do they get an option to stay? With ASA/ExpressJet merging they have a ton of 50 seaters we won't want.
To me could make sense only because they know we will not sell anything larger than we have. As a result they get unlimited 65+ seat jets. They buy what they want, not what the pesky scope clause dictates and it is flown by us. The Quid is that those DCI pilots keep their bidding rights for AE's but in a down bid we push them down, or when there are growth jets we get to bid them with our system seniority and then as a result push them down. It is a great idea, but as with everything the details are where the devil is. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1025687)
Carl,
According to DPA's lawyer, negotiating seniority is like negotiating a crew meal, no difference. If you don't believe me, go search youtube for a video series titled something like "Can't take the heat, USAPA in the desert." The whole thing is like two hours on 8 or 9 different videos so I am not going to spend the time to find the right link. So DPA's lawyer has said that it is quite easy to renegotiate a seniority list. It might be difficult for him to announce that for another group that it's impossible to renegotiate a seniority list, that presents a severe conflict of interest there. You are flat out wrong about the state of US Air's seniority list. There was a transition agreement that stated the process that the two groups would use to create an integrated list. That process was completed and the list was accepted by the company. There is a single seniority list at US Air, it just hasn't been used for anything because they are still in separate ops. Changing that list is no different that changing our list, and DPA's attorney says that seniority is just like a crew meal, so it's easy to change. I don't know what lounge you hang out in in Detroit, but the one I hang out in has many people talking about how DPA is going to change the seniority list. DPA's attorney says that date of hire is the gold standard in integrating seniority lists, so that might be their target. The problem with DPA now is that it is all things to all people. Some vote for DPA because they want a new seniority list. I have heard green book guys say that DPA is their ticket to seek revenge on the red book guys. Junior guys think DPA will eliminate RJ's and create hundreds of new mainline jet orders overnight. Middle seniority guys think that DPA will magically deliver a 50% pay raise. Some Delta dead zoners think DPA will deliver a new pension wrapped in a pretty bow. I don't know if the delay in delivering their constitution falls at least in part to somehow reconciling these diverse views of DPA. One thing is certain, DPA is a chameleon now. Whenever their stated goals or milestones get in the way of reality, they merely change their website and voila, they are still all things to all people. If only it were that easy in the real world. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1025724)
To me could make sense only because they know we will not sell anything larger than we have.
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