Alpha;

Its a lawyers job to fight the fight his client wants. USAPAs fight is for DOH. Their lawyer is fighting that fight for them.

We all know this has nothing to do with DPA except that DPA has retained Seham.

When are ALPAs lawyers going to fight the DALPA fight and (at least) try to ditch RAH? You are sounding a little ridiculous and afraid.

And I'm no member of the DPA spin machine. I'm just sick of paying 1.9% of my pay for company kiss azzes that try to portray themselves as defenders of the realm.

Hey Joe ... Brake was not responsible for the furloughs. He was taught "outsourcing is good" for the same reasons you quoted.This has probably been a worth while discussion of history and the Comair bogeyman, but lets not turn this board into FightInfo (or even the DALPA board for that matter).

John Belushi said it, but it was animal house.

T2,

It's not about scare tactics, but purely about logic and observation. I don't think any such group is ever born without an agenda, without people wanting to be in power TO EFFECT A SPECIFIC ACTION.

I don't think there are groups out there who are altruistic enough to want to invest this level of energy, simply for the purpose of having better representation. There are plenty of people that want better representation, and plenty of people with a variety of issues that they might believe alternative representation would address, but these are not the customers for this product, simply the tools to implement whatever it's supposed to do.

The very fact the "goals" are vague enough to attract naive people to brand X, or to push angry people away from the standard product, tells me all I need to know about staying away from it. If they can't honestly tell me what "we" would be trying to accomplish, then I'm pretty sure it's some thing that's going to be done to me that I'm not going to like.

When you look at the USAPA precedent, it's pretty obvious the difference is in numbers: USAPA had an obvious path because of the majority of Easties, and DPA doesn't. It has to fudge. USAPA could be clear about making CERTAIN enough Easties understood that they had the numbers to gang-rape the AWA pilots, but DPA has to give you a little soft music, and let you do the intellectual equivalent of slipping something in your own drink, before they can get to you.

We "became" Delta pilots without interviewing because of a corporate merger. Now if we have a corporate merger with you and you don't "become" a Delta pilot, then you'd have a point. But as always, you do not.

Total BS. You weren't there, I was. After the usual SLI stuff calmed down we got along great. Still do. I have many friends that came from Republic. Great guys who know how to have fun.

Carl

I know several "Green book" pilots who who would disagree with you...You were "Redbook" and you would have that opinion...Why the 20 year fence?

No. At least not as far as I know.

It's clear you've never read anything on the DPA website. If you had, you would clearly see that one of the driving forces here is ALPA's lack of priority on scope. Scope is THE founding issue of DPA. If ALPA was strong on scope, there would be no DPA.

DPA is not being vague. Read the website...unless you're only here to demagogue.

Did everyone catch this? DPA is really all about drugging your drink before they can "get to you". This is what the ALPA thugs are left with. 3,100 DPA cards and growing are scaring the crap out of them.

This should show anyone how deep the ALPA bench really is. If ALPA had a record to trumpet, that's all you would have to do is trumpet it. But when you have a record of attempting to bust your own union, not defending scope and not representing your own members to curry favor with another non-ALPA group, there's nothing left for you but to do what Sink r8 is doing. Lying and spinning. This is what our once great union has sunk to.

Carl

I didn't trade anything. I didn't outsource anything. Prognostication: Your job has peaked. It has nowhere to go but down, as fee for departure contracts expire. The gravy train is ending, quickly.

None of the reast is really your concern, and none of your business, outside of the "MY pay, and MY job has gotten better" part. Not surprising that this is your chief concern, but you never said those things to departing ASA pilots, nah.

It's been interesting, but I think folks get the picture. I'm out.

T2,

Reading back through the thread here, I'm not necessarily stating that I know the purpose of DPA is to effect a change in the SLI.

Carl's telling ALfa it couldn't be more than five guys that think along those lines. Right. There are some people obsessing over it, and many people that think this is the single most important thing to have happened in the last few years, but all but five are sitting tight, chanting buddhist hymns. So that tellls me there is a decent probability this is what DPA's actual purpose is. But then again...

I always wondered when the egos would get inflamed, to the point where the former politicians in the ranks of both airlines would get together to remove the current people to effect some change in something. Is it to create some sort of dual-committee structure to elevate the loyal opposition to the rank of equal, and perpetuate the NW "coloring" games?

Or is it about pensions? The Matrix returns?

Or is it about C20 vs. C44?

I don't know for sure. I hear theories that sound plausible, so I get the vibe it's "all of the above".

All I know is that none of these groups are started without an objective. You're not that naive. You must know this to be true also.