Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1026073)

I know several "Green book" pilots who who would disagree with you...

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1026073)

You were "Redbook" and you would have that opinion...

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1026073)

Why the 20 year fence?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1026070)

T2,

It's not about scare tactics, but purely about logic and observation. I don't think any such group is ever born without an agenda, without people wanting to be in power TO EFFECT A SPECIFIC ACTION.

I don't think there are groups out there who are altruistic enough to want to invest this level of energy, simply for the purpose of having better representation. There are plenty of people that want better representation, and plenty of people with a variety of issues that they might believe alternative representation would address, but these are not the customers for this product, simply the tools to implement whatever it's supposed to do.

The very fact the "goals" are vague enough to attract naive people to brand X, or to push angry people away from the standard product, tells me all I need to know about staying away from it. If they can't honestly tell me what "we" would be trying to accomplish, then I'm pretty sure it's some thing that's going to be done to me that I'm not going to like.

When you look at the USAPA precedent, it's pretty obvious the difference is in numbers: USAPA had an obvious path because of the majority of Easties, and DPA doesn't. It has to fudge. USAPA could be clear about making CERTAIN enough Easties understood that they had the numbers to gang-rape the AWA pilots, but DPA has to give you a little soft music, and let you do the intellectual equivalent of slipping something in your own drink, before they can get to you.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1026066)

Hey Joe ... Brake was not responsible for the furloughs. He was taught "outsourcing is good" for the same reasons you quoted.This has probably been a worth while discussion of history and the Comair bogeyman, but lets not turn this board into FightInfo (or even the DALPA board for that matter).

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1026082)

T2,

Reading back through the thread here, I'm not necessarily stating that I know the purpose of DPA is to effect a change in the SLI.

Carl's telling ALfa it couldn't be more than five guys that think along those lines. Right. There are some people obsessing over it, and many people that think this is the single most important thing to have happened in the last few years, but all but five are sitting tight, chanting buddhist hymns. So that tellls me there is a decent probability this is what DPA's actual purpose is. But then again...

I always wondered when the egos would get inflamed, to the point where the former politicians in the ranks of both airlines would get together to remove the current people to effect some change in something. Is it to create some sort of dual-committee structure to elevate the loyal opposition to the rank of equal, and perpetuate the NW "coloring" games?

Or is it about pensions? The Matrix returns?

Or is it about C20 vs. C44?

I don't know for sure. I hear theories that sound plausible, so I get the vibe it's "all of the above".

All I know is that none of these groups are started without an objective. You're not that naive. You must know this to be true also.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1026084)

Nah. None of the former Republic pilots I know would have anything to do with a bitter RJ lifer.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I was a Northwest pilot, and it wasn't an opinion. Since I was there and you weren't, I know the facts. You only know bitterness.

Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 1026087)

I know that's your version of a cheap shot. You have no idea what I was taught, my voting record on contracts.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but alas, you are just an RJDCer in Delta clothing.

It's been real. I will keep working on tenable solutions, and you keep holding on to your "big one that got away", and editing your posts to change content posthaste.

Sorry all, out of time.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1026085)

So I take it that you think those that are in power at ALPA are pure as the driven snow in their agenda.. or lack thereof. USAPA is a pathetic example to use as your argument and a basis of comparison. If that's the best you have, you need to rethink your argument.

As for the "standard product"... the producers of that product are doing a good enough job of pushing people away without any help.. just saying.

Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 1026081)

I didn't trade anything. I didn't outsource anything. Prognostication: Your job has peaked. It has nowhere to go but down, as fee for departure contracts expire. The gravy train is ending, quickly.

None of the reast is really your concern, and none of your business, outside of the "MY pay, and MY job has gotten better" part. Not surprising that this is your chief concern, but you never said those things to departing ASA pilots, nah.