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acl65pilot 03-15-2011 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 964598)
Alpha,

Yes, and we all know doctors and lawyers can be hazardous in airplanes, and your point is well taken, however lawyers are also notoriously cautious. We could easily be too timid, or not pursue something where it was the right thing to do because of a lawyers advice of the possibility that it might not go our way. The company and their lawyers are more aggressive and capitalize on our willingness to settle rather than risk any possibility of defeat.

Under that system all they have to keep doing is violating the contract and we'll meet them half way as long as they stop the violation and they in fact force de facto concessions out of us while we claim it as a win because we averted risk.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1253116017.jpg

Great hyperbole, reality is that even in the negotiators notes, the intent though clear to us, was rather ambiguous. Think what would have happened if we lost.

Rogue24 03-15-2011 01:07 PM

Anyone hearing the rumors out of USAir that there is an announcement coming about them and Alaska?

Just had a friend over there call me. News to me.

scambo1 03-15-2011 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 964607)
Great hyperbole, reality is that even in the negotiators notes, the intent though clear to us, was rather ambiguous. Think what would have happened if we lost.

We would have galvanized the pilot group that maybe, just maybe their jobs were at stake and they might have taken some personal responsibility for the situation we find our selves in?

Or we could have stayed the course of ALPA spoonfeeding bland oatmeal to the placated pilot group while occasionally they had a little spill down their lip that they had to swipe the spoon at.

TANSTAAFL 03-15-2011 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 964607)
Great hyperbole, reality is that even in the negotiators notes, the intent though clear to us, was rather ambiguous. Think what would have happened if we lost.

Sometimes you just have to do the right thing and go for broke. Think of where we would be if we had won? How many 76 seaters was it? 23? How many NB jobs could that have been? As it was our win was a loss except for a largely worthless no furlough clause, that only had the teeth it did because of the flow back to XJ and CPZ, which is now largely worthless. Hopefully we don't get to test that theory........:eek:

scambo1 03-15-2011 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 964611)
Anyone hearing the rumors out of USAir that there is an announcement coming about them and Alaska?

Just had a friend over there call me. News to me.


like this rumor:
Merger Rumors (Alaska Airlines) — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

acl65pilot 03-15-2011 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 964611)
Anyone hearing the rumors out of USAir that there is an announcement coming about them and Alaska?

Just had a friend over there call me. News to me.

It would be the external force DAL needs to buy AS and get the DOJ approval.

Scambo, I did not take you for a airliners.net kind of guy. :D

newKnow 03-15-2011 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 964611)
Anyone hearing the rumors out of USAir that there is an announcement coming about them and Alaska?

Just had a friend over there call me. News to me.

Is anyone like me in thinking that if Alaska were to merge with someone else, that would be great for us?

acl65pilot 03-15-2011 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 964614)
Sometimes you just have to do the right thing and go for broke. Think of where we would be if we won? How many 76 seaters was it? 23? How many NB jobs could that have been? As it was our win was a loss except for a largely worthless no furlough clause, that only had the teeth it did because of the flow back to XJ and CPZ, which is now largely worthless. Hopefully we don't get to test that theory........:eek:

Agreed, but even though I was not happy at the time with the settlement, I can be honest enough with myself and you, to state that I do see the reasoning behind it. I would have preferred not to have to reinterpret that language, but there was a fight, and it cost 23 76 seat jets, and we got our interpretation going forward. Water over the dam, but I agree with the point.

acl65pilot 03-15-2011 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 964619)
Is anyone like me in thinking that if Alaska were to merge with someone else, that would be great for us?

Depends. I mean that.

AS feeds a lot of our Asian flying. Lose that, and these flights which are already under stress due to low loads, might just get a death nail put in em.

The fact is that if AS does not stay independent, whoever does not nab them, will be putting capacity against them, and the RASM on these routes will fall though the floor. It is kind of a lose-lose scenario.

newKnow 03-15-2011 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 964622)
Depends. I mean that.

AS feeds a lot of our Asian flying. Lose that, and these flights which are already under stress due to low loads, might just get a death nail put in em.

The fact is that if AS does not stay independent, whoever does not nab them, will be putting capacity against them, and the RASM on these routes will fall though the floor. It is kind of a lose-lose scenario.

The only issue I have with AS is that lately I'm having trouble figuring out who is feeding who


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