To answer the last part first, when it is deemed a violation. Reality is that the language you seek was changed after ACA was deemed to be in violation. It was not changed to make them in compliance, but the language was changed after they went defunct. Point is the language is different, and it has been deemed that RJET is a holding company of multiple carriers that perform A or C flying.
F9 is not performing our flying, and is a separate certificate, and is seen the same as MEH was, same as CHQ is, same as Shuttle America is, and same as Republic is. With that as a precedence, they could combine all but Shuttle America which does our flying and still not be in violation unless this court rules that they are of "Single Carrier Status."

Ugly, yes, but it has been determined to be this way under the current language. If a court changes their status, good for us. If the structure does not change then not much will change. DALPA's action depends on the courts and the structure they choose. Currently nothing has changed and no violation has occurred.

My father-in-law is a directional drilling engineer and was working for a company about three years ago that was costing the shale oil that is very abundant in the U.S. With the technology they had then, it was going to cost them $110/bbl to extract the oil and the costs would go down over time as the technology improved. They anticipated they could get the costs down to under $80/bbl but it would take a few years of "working the process out".

There are two ways to get shale oil out both of which are very environmentally invasive and probably would not fly in the U.S. unless the world is going to end. You either strip mine the shale and cook it out like they do the oil sand in Canada or you pump a high pressure water/chemical solution into the ground that fractures the shale, seperates the oil, pump the solution back up, and refine the oil out. You can't simply drill a well and pump it out.....we've gotten all that oil out that can be found in the U.S.

I don't think we are "saving" it, it just isn't cost effective to get it out yet or the big oil guys would have already done it. Now ANWAR and sub-sea oil off the coasts is a different story......that we can get if the politicians and environmentalists would let us.

Let me say it again. Currently RJET is teamsters and not ALPA. Even if you want to conjure conflict at National, this one will not be a litmus test since RJET is not ALPA!


Not true, these pilots could be their worst enemy by taking RJET and Brian Bedford to court to push the single carrier status issue.

Carl, as I have said, I have my position on the issue and I have stated it. I am one of 12,300 pilots here at DAL and One of 10.900+ that has a vote. I know my reps know my position on it. I also venture to bet that your reps know yours. I encourage everyone to use the representative democracy we have and fill their reps in-boxes will e-mails.

I would not say we cannot count on it either. I know many of the reps were waiting to see how this would fall out. They wanted to see what RJET and their pilots would do. They want the victory too. If there is going to be an issue, let the violation occur. Of the reps that I talk to, I am sure they will bring this issue front burner, but until that happens all they can do it watch it and plan accordingly.

Yes.

I also know that if it is deemed to be a violation they will fight it. The violation needs to occur. Make sense?

Are you sure you weren't looking at last year's? Even if you go another backdoor route (other than the one described below) the only ones finished are the heavy iron captains.. 7ER NYC is NOT done yet...

First, a violation needs to be alleged to have occured. Will DALPA even allege that one occurred? Will DALPA advocate for the pilots, or will DALPA advocate for management's interpretation thus precluding any fight?

We are going to get an answer to this very important question very soon.

Carl

The short of it is Republic Airways Holdings operates with 5 operating certificates right now.

Chatauqua, call sign Chatauqua
Republic, call sign Brickyard
Shuttle America, call sign Mercury
Lynx, call sign Lynx
Frontier, call sign Frontier

The 1st three operate as DCI operating 50-76 seaters. The other two operate Frontier flying. Pilots are not allowed to jump from certificate to certificate, the only exception being when an FO upgrades to CA. But once you are on a certificate, you are stuck there.

So you see, the 3 that operate as DCI do so independently in the eyes of the court. They are 3 separate carriers under one holdings company. Therefore, there is no scope violation.

Now, if it's determined that they are a Single Carrier, then we have an issue with Scope.

since i'm tapping on the iphone i won't quote all of acls and everyones posts concerning rah.

the question it raises, and i think most all of us are in agreement, what's to stop skywest from starting a 737... no wait, a domestic 767 operation under a holdings company? and better yet, a 767 operation that has an SLI with sw, asa and xjt?

is the rah thing being ignored because hey, it's only e190s and a319s anyways, what's the big deal?

Carl, as I have seen first hand, when a no BS violation occurs, DALPA will fight it with vigor.

Go to March bid award. Then look on your address bar. Towards the end it'll say "Results/MAR/mar_reasons_reports". Change MAR/mar to APR/apr. Works on bid packages too.