Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 970030)

Well, I think we all got to see what is in our future via what just happened at FedEx. With our brand new ALPA president at the helm, a Tentative Agreement was announced by the FDX MEC after only a few months of negotiating. Took most every member by surprise. Found out that it extended the current contract either one or two more years depending on the MEC's desire. In return, the pilots got a 3% pay raise. This from a company that makes BILLIONS in net profit.

The FDX MEC then puts out a massive PR campaign via road shows to convince the pilots to vote YES. Not educate them on the facts, but to vote YES. Results: TA voted in by 68%.

This is the new ALPA.

Carl

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970096)

Hey Carl,

I generally agree with your opinions, however you have become a master of understatement on this issue. A 3% pay raise was only one facet of the TA....

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970096)

which is hopefully a bridge to a full contract once the new flight/duty regs are known.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970096)

You do FedEx pilots a great disservice when you imply that a 3% raise was the only item gained.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970096)

Fedex pilots hotly debated the merits of this TA....and the membership decided the outcome via memrat.....not via Alpa national in your thinly veiled reference.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970096)

I think you are better than this.....-1, Carl. :(

BG

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 970108)

I have a number of FDX buds and I've been reading every thread associated with your TA that is now a contract. I've never said that the 3% pay raise was the only facet of the TA. I've said it's the only positive part that I know of. 4A2B is virtually the same, etc. If you think there are many other positive facets of it, then I'm sure you're happy now.



Hope all you want, but exactly why would management care to give you a new contract? You just agreed to one. One with a 3% pay raise. Your next contract will have to follow the normal Section 6/RLA/NMB process. How ever many years that process takes, you'll be working for those years for 3% more than you're making right now.



I'm not implying it...I'm saying it. IMO, you agreed to the foreign domiciles, and keeping 4A2B etc, for 3%. Many, many other FDX pilots agree with that assessment - so I'm not sure I'm doing a disservice to all FDX pilots.



Again, I don't thinly veil anything. The majority voted this in...that is indisputable. But FDX ALPA (with the financial and expert resources of ALPA national) put forth a tremendous sales pitch via a series of road shows. Not a fact statement - a sales pitch. That is what I hope we can avoid at Delta when our time comes. My hope is that we can get this failed "union" of ours to just give us the facts, instead of sales pitches and scare tactics to vote YES.



I'm never better than when I'm voicing my fact based opinions.

Carl

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 970144)

From your statements of fact-based opinions, I can only conclude that you either have incomplete knpwledge of all facets ofthe TA, or you intentionally ignored them......and BTW, I am a Delta Air Lines pilot....more of your "facts" ?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 970185)

If you haven't seen Carl's posts then you are now seeing the thrust of every argument he makes. Pretty soon he will say "You don't know what you are talking about" and then insult you in some fashion. Mix, stir, rehash and that's pretty much the whole story.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 970193)

Well its been 10 minutes since you posted and Sink is no where to be found so I'll do his dirty sophomoric work...

Alfa, instead of ignoring Carl why don't you go master debate with him?




Sink, you owe me.