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scambo1 03-14-2011 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 964081)
I believe you are correct - this came up with Republic bought Frontier. People were complaining that the Airbussesess were too big for our scope clause and others pointed out that that had been removed from the contract at some point.


It wasnt removed from the contract a year ago and I dont recall any memrat since then.

iceman49 03-14-2011 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 964116)
Same thing happens going from the downtown NYC hotel to JFK. Its a delay just waiting to happen. What I find most alarming, for us 73 guys on the left coast, is how we have 40 minute turns in SFO from jets coming in from MSP. They're always late, then so are we. Apparently, D-0 ain't so important if the marketing guys are building in impossible turns from across the country.

Agree, unrealistic turns destroy the sked integrity, than loss of customer goodwill follows...I'm always stuned how many HKs show up on the lists everyday, even without wx events.

KC10 FATboy 03-14-2011 06:37 PM

I thought the company just released a memo about turn times? I thought it said they were going to increase in areas and they're going to minimize as best they can the shuffling of crews during turns in our hubs.

satchip 03-14-2011 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 963793)
That is a spot on observation and a result of poor management.

It's an indication of the government's fixation with D-0. If the DOT didn't require and publish those stats our management wouldn't stress over them.

Dirty 03-14-2011 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 963945)
I must be honest, I am ignorant on all of this stuff. And if what you say is true, and I believe you, what does that mean to Mother D? Do we really expect Mother D to not use those airplanes and lift?

After scanning through Section 1 I think Section 1D specifically applies to RAH. esspecially this part:

If a carrier that performs category A or category C operations acquires an aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 D. 2. c., the Company will terminate such operations on the date that is the later of the date such aircraft is placed in revenue service, or nine months from the date that the Company first became aware of the potential acquisition.

Hopefully this makes it clearer to you. I'm sure someone else will be able to post better contract language that forbids RAH (an Airbus/190 operator) from doing our flying.

gloopy 03-14-2011 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 964098)

Legacy carriers are already at the stage where domestic operations primarily exist to feed international operations.

Well something is going to have to give. The LCC's and current (as well as future) upstarts have absolutely staggering numbers of narrowbody planes on order and option. There is not, nor will there be, room in the domestic system for them. And yet we fiddle while our domestic burns even as we brag about our 1.4 Billion profit and act helpless as a foreign megalomanic (among others) ramps up one of the biggest future threats we will ever see right under our noses.

DAL 88 Driver 03-14-2011 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 964137)
It's an indication of the government's fixation with D-0. If the DOT didn't require and publish those stats our management wouldn't stress over them.

The government/DOT does not even track "D-0." The metric is A+14. If the flight blocks in by scheduled arrival time + 14 minutes, it is considered an "on time" flight by the DOT. If it blocks in later than that, it is late.

Focus on A+14 is IMO the way to get this done. I saw it done very effectively at a former airline. I understand the thinking with "D-0" (if the flight leaves on time, it's more likely to arrive on time)... and that should be part of the equation. But the obsession over this one aspect, and especially the pressure being put on various departments (especially the gate agents) is IMO counterproductive and a big part of the reason we are not succeeding.

gloopy 03-14-2011 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 964145)
After scanning through Section 1 I think Section 1D specifically applies to RAH. esspecially this part:

If a carrier that performs category A or category C operations acquires an aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 D. 2. c., the Company will terminate such operations on the date that is the later of the date such aircraft is placed in revenue service, or nine months from the date that the Company first became aware of the potential acquisition.

Hopefully this makes it clearer to you. I'm sure someone else will be able to post better contract language that forbids RAH (an Airbus/190 operator) from doing our flying.

Once upon a time the language applied to the holding company, but I believe was changed to the meaningless "certificate" instead (how that gaping hole got past the best and brightest ALPA lawyers is beyond me). So now little "air group" wanna be's can play the separate certificate trick which hurts not only our pilot group but our company and shareholders as well because we subsidize fare and yield trashing competitors who will, as a direct result of the nature of outsourcing, always have lower costs than we do because their pilot groups wouldn't exist in the first place if they weren't the lowest bidder. We then subsidize their right hand as they use their left hand (and its super low labor cost) against our company.

Carl Spackler 03-14-2011 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 964137)
It's an indication of the government's fixation with D-0.

The gubment doesn't track D-0, only arrival time.


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 964137)
If the DOT didn't require and publish those stats our management wouldn't stress over them.

Now that you know the DOT doesn't track D-0, we should look for our management to stop stressing over it...right?

Carl

Carl Spackler 03-14-2011 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 964160)
Once upon a time the language applied to the holding company, but I believe was changed to the meaningless "certificate" instead (how that gaping hole got past the best and brightest ALPA lawyers is beyond me). So now little "air group" wanna be's can play the separate certificate trick which hurts not only our pilot group but our company and shareholders as well because we subsidize fare and yield trashing competitors who will, as a direct result of the nature of outsourcing, always have lower costs than we do because their pilot groups wouldn't exist in the first place if they weren't the lowest bidder. We then subsidize their right hand as they use their left hand (and its super low labor cost) against our company.

Exactly correct. And all done with the blessing of ALPA. In their world, this is what we need to achieve "unity." With unity, all things are possible.

Carl


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